Arguelles-kin-con-becommented-2004-A.html

Jose Arguelles is the most popular of my growing idiot savant collection  (some of which stood at the birth of nations and transnational corpocracies, some actually have voluntary followers and critics like me, most of them suffer countersocial tendencies and still worse, their wallflowery mathematrixmadness often as not legitimates genocide by way of glorifying distractions).

I started the process of extracting bits of sitebitesize sighting from my surfnotes (logguage) in 2005 and updated that in the spring of 2007; the results so far:
Arguelles-in-het-hollands.html - 182k

Arguelles-kin-con-becommented-2003-A.html - 170k
Arguelles-kin-con-becommented-2003-B.html - 178k
Arguelles-kin-con-becommented-2004-A.html - 192k
Arguelles-kin-con-becommented-2004-B.html - 102k
Arguelles-kin-con-becommented-2005-A.html - 185k
Arguelles-kin-con-becommented-2005-B.html - 188k
Arguelles-kin-con-becommented-2006.html - 166k -
Arguelles-kin-con-becommented-2007.html - 72k
Arguelles-Topper-Winter.html - nov99 - 53k
symbol-n-symbiosis.html - nov99 - 50k

go to (the 160K of) part 1:
Arguelles-kin-con and othe idiotically genius savantery

this used to be arguelles-kin-con2
an observ-, rumi- and occasionally fulmination series on
.. . yet another cult of absolutist claimants?

 .. . .with kind and kinky fractions fetish triggered bonds and feuds?

 . .. . a new age network with low and preferably even no budget but
nevertheless global aspirations?

Ladies and gentlemen, your special attention for the greatest latest
kin con.

The credibility conjury by these con kin features the added twist and
spice of claiming Muhammed for an equal (never mind the prophet
himself tried to cut off all competition preemptively by telling
everyone he was to be the last.
 

I can believe that instead of coercing women they somehow felt as
strongly about him as he thought highly of himself and so they just
fell at his feet in series of bunches and generously shared him and
only him while reserving their attention for only him to though due
to the fragmentation of their great numbers they must have had plenny
of time on their hands. Judging from your charisma mr arguelles, you
don't make the grade and that's only a very minor fault of yours in
my eyes.

Over the last few years I have again and again examined your antics
and decided to collect them in one place, for greater conveyance
convenience, redundancy and challenge; the continuation of my
interest depends entirely on you being courteous enough to take me at
least as seriously as I do you and if possible find the time/peace to
answer.

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wanna see some allah? how can you miss it? Where on earth not?apnahyderabad.com/forums /forum_posts.asp?TID=12&PN=1 --------
angelfire.com/in/revelations/review.html 7 of them, one is quite long and is answered in equal length by author (of:) The Ultimate Revelations by Jamshed Akhtar ISBN: 81-22104-01 Pages: 404 --- ----- Journal of Islamic Science June 1998 Desperately seeking logic by Gail Boxwell "...... In fact, the ‘miracle’ of the number nineteen is something that has been seen before and has been analysed and rejected by serious scholars (3) and Muslims alike. The original protagonist of the theory, a Dr. Rahad Khalifa eventually became deranged, believing that he alone could interpret the Qur’an correctly, and that the prophet Muhammad had no role to play in islam (4). ........." -- (3) Ziauddin Sardar, Explorations in Islamic Science (London: Mansell Publishing Ltd 1989) pp. 37-42. (4) Ibid. p. 40 --------- here's part of the author's response to the review: Why this structure was rejected by Muslims and why I included it in the book: " ...... Rashad Khalifa’s assertion regarding two verses of the Quran; his claim of being the latest messenger; his outright rejection of Sunna as Satanic innovations, his attempts to authorise interpretation of Quran, his backtracking on several issues coupled with problems in the identification of Arabic alphabets like aliph, and the discovery of some manipulation in the structure, all these factors led to the rejection of this otherwise brilliant structure. But it was done without realising the gravity of its non acceptance, and its influence as an objective argument par excellence. My purpose of including it in the book, is the belief that this structure with all its benefits, can be re-established by removing manipulations, explaining anomalies and countering all assertions of Rashad Khalifa plausibly. And my belief is that Ulema of the community are taking extremely heavy responsibility upon their shoulders by detaching it from the very obvious hint, mentioned in the text. Besides, the structure should not be treated naively as a scientific marvel only, meant to convince the west. Among its many potential uses mentioned in my book, it can also solve a long standing problem related to the existence of variant readings, which has always been used by non-believers, to attack the integrity of Quran. The structure used in conjunction with Qirat-e mutwatira and ancient manuscripts, like the one at Tashkent, can solve this problem once for all. But, for all this to happen, a positive approach is needed to analyse the structure. Without involving the antagonism towards Rashad Khalifa, a ‘great researcher who fell later into the satan’s trap’, the structure needs to be checked extremely thoroughly by statisticians and linguists of repute and intelligence, to see what is the truth. ........." --------- excerpts from the book: angelfire.com/in/revelations/excerpts.html
 

the miracle of the Quran

http://monak2.tripod.com/Peaceonline/id1.html
harunyahya.com/de/wunder04.php
Tariq Al Suwaidan
geocities.com/WestHollywood/Park/6443/MIQ/stat.html Zafar Khan's page: Hardship 114 - Patience 114 ------ 
http://islamicweb.com/beliefs/science/numbers.htm 
Al-Hayat (Life) 145 Al-Maout (Death) 145 
Al-Mala'ikah (Angles) 88 Al-Shayateen (Satan) 88 
Al-Rajul (Man) 24 Al-Mar'ha (Woman) 24 
Al-Salihat (Righteous deeds) 167 Al-Sayi'at (Evil deeds) 167
Al-Dunya (This World) 115 Al-Akhira (The Hereafter) 115
Al-Yisr (Facility, Relief) 36 Al-'Usr (Difficulty) 12
Al-Abraar (The Righteous) 6 Al-Fujjaar (The Wicked) 3 
Al-Jahr (Saying Aloud) 16 Al-'Alaniyah (in public) 16 
this one doesn't really jibe with last cite
Al-Shiddah (Hardship) 102 Al-Sabr (Patience) 102 
Muhammed 4 - Sharee'ah (Muhammed's teachings) 4 
Al-Shahr Month 12 -------------- Al-Yahom Day 365 
Benefi't 50 - Corrupt 50 ------ People 50 - Messengers 50 

much more substantial (well, . . ..at least a  lot longer) 'treatment'
(throwing numbers around like a true Khalifite should): geocities.com/WestHollywood/Park/6443/MIQ/Ultimate.html


 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 


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mediaventure.orgpoints to a lot of squeaky clean places like bioneers and channel G 'Empowering Charitable Projects With Mass Media Exposure'

german hippie intowitter's resource site: syntropia.de -- hubert-brune.de links to thejoiner.de so it may only be down temporarily and by the looks of the little gif it IS the site I was thinking of/remembering - if all else fails ask alienation@web.de oder besser stadtgeist-ffm@web.de

professorbainbridge.com/2004/02/mel_gibsons_dad.html points to: news.com.au/common/printpage/0,6093,8727351,00.html

http://estimatedprophet.blogspot.com (black text on darkish orange with white links; pretty profuse and mostly on politics) 


 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

xbiosonic.org/ManualEng/ICHING.html colour theory, music, i-ching and yin yang stuff from someone in spain: Marysol González Sterling (has a book out at Weiser) --- biosonic.org/ManualEng/Spirals.htm I can go along with the first set of diagrams but when he starts constructing a calculistic labyrinth/carpet knotwork I am reminded of the planet art network, so busy to try pass theoretical exams the practice is nowhere in sight. ------- http://www.biosonic.org/ManualEng/COHERENCE5.htm alrite, that's it, this does it, he is a serious contender for entry in the court of rainbow savants ---- And if you're still not convinced, go see this: biosonic.org/ManualEng/COLORS.html

the output projectionist and the pack rat's pile have much in common; I think I'll start calling it 'schizionism'. The stockpiler always claims to know where everything is (never mind it's inaccesible due to incessant and unceasing addiction/commitment/choice to pack and cram some more in). ------ the glutton who is afraid to go to bed with an empty stomach and snores the stars out of the sky thinks he is a shaman (translation to dutch: de wrede vreetzak denkt het zeker te weten: wereldvrede bereik je door vreselijk eigenwijs door te vreten.). ----- the leader repeats: " . .. . and then we will dust off, dye, deal, drop, distribute, dump, divulge, etcetera (insert astronomical number here) copies of our creed, gospel and tokens of pure value .. ." bla bla bla. ----------------- it's like that popular Alison Kraus and Union station live (dvd too meanwhile) song's concluding lyric (with the haunting tune carried by Jerry Douglas): ". . you'll rue the day that you were born, for giving me the devil cause I wouldn't hoe corn" --- the deeply rooted schizophrenia of not being responsible for your own actions is bad enough but only half of the picture; the other half presents the pretence to by right punish others for your own misdeeds once you shift/unloaded them onto a willing victim (taken unawares most of the time; scapegoat charm = innocence) --- wear my sins so I can see and curse them will you??? ------------- 

tortuga.com/cgi-bin/ikonboard.pl? s=403dc632022effff;act=ST;f=6;t=35 should get some pics of an east coast pan council that includes wild wolf sighting

HeaventoEarth.com tv format for fluppy hiffies featuring long alphabetical linklist in 14 point arial black - they make much of coloringtherapy.comand make Arguelles look like one of very many indeed ---- speaking of which; via synchronometer.com I find mayanastro.freeservers.com Fred Martin is (or was, his site seems to have nothing older than late 2001) some sort of prof who thinks he can look at all major western from a native standpoint; he has a fat section on cannibalism too, yummie. --- look at /derrida3.html for a handful of alineas on numbers and at /spinoza2.html to learn how the latter falls short and is found wanting in the verbose but probably accurate last sentence. ------- the latest I have been able to discover by Frederick Martin is from here: geocities.com/Athens/Delphi/9976/03bombing.html (april 2003 - Bombing the cradle of civilization) 


 
 
 
 
 

http://www.pancolombia.com/sorry.htm

orbitalmonkeys.com/mandalamovie.htmlI wrote love@orbitalmonkeys.com regarding their site -- greetings from holland kindred kindbleu and other kinds of you -- -- heeeyyyy, hullo from Hollowland, I mean holland; I take it even the groovy art focus (you are all to me very obviously benefitting in/from) gets overwhelmed with a one size fits all fundamentalism in the case of Arguelles and upper echelons (mark heley, kernel cornyflour cunt to just name the ones I had personal run ins with. ====== Yesterday's self-generating seal taught me that people, if they can afford themselves the luxury will paint themselves into a corner; their lingo will get more and more cryptic, laden with associations so heavily that the only logical next step is the one into number wielding and soon big ones are flailing about and chasing each other in the vicious circle of inflations (number/ego) causing a cramped authoritarianism that will abuse unity, harmony and synchronicity concepts as obiedence/imposition tests helpful in defining in and out crowd clearly on a quest to go global, in other words same old same old Stupid stewpit centralization silliness. ========= Their is nothing wrong with laying another gear/sprocket - keyword/category on/in your system if you can find the axes/memory to bear 'm and the skill to make that extra juggling ball fly too to draw the requisite oohz and aahz and ball manufacturecruits, just as long as you realize strawberries go bad if you try stretch 'm over to wide a space and to large a span of time, if you pass 'm through too many hands, etcetera. Folk like Arguelles, Keyserling are pretty inventive and are like a collection of idiot savants all by themselves but we must not forget that one can never gainfully, usefully nor profitably centralize, harmonize, pyramid stack or whatever the noble arts of soft fruit growing and cosmological keyword knit/run/kindle to candle holding

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
the last past number (3 to be exact) of links were found in the process of composing a reply to a dutch PAN poet who is also a Ken Wilber admirer -- -- I remembered WIThompson's criticism of Wilber and went looking for reverb; didn't take me long . .. http://207.44.196.94/~wilber/combs2.html(plenny lenghty Wilber answers critics type rants at his own site) 

Most art that goes systemic - proselytic - absolute and fanatic are rigid and deadly, unlifelike bycause all borders bleed. Overall there are as many cycles halfway their rounds, just begun etcetera as their are near their end. Systemics aid caste rather than coordination more often than not; they hardly ever show up without hierarchy and send all takers/comers into an endless wilderness of labyrinthine sorry symbology set up to drive some agenda or other (easy sex, booksales, talkfees you name it). Rigidity is a useful property for tools; should I find folk like minded, qualified and equiped enough to start realizing some of my mobile and musical rockmudification the resulting tangible proof of profitability for proper mixing procedure will just sweep all this airy fairy stuff aside, or absorb a lot of it rather. Nothing as convincing as satisfaction and the slow food movement is only the start of the rainbow food more and lore. The latter may be the ultimate aim of tortugans and Panfolk but they for now are too busily adding gears to their vehicles and looking for passengers, a hopeless quest if you ask me, and have no time for even their own avowed and noble goals.


 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
rasterized.org  (deviantart.com sibling) guess whom I find here? the cube system rant designer fromnogahshell.net-- I learn the headhoncho perp there served in ww2 and is certified crazy, at least in my book: "The idea of a human being becoming a Star Ship is neither new or strange to many valiant men. During World War II, in which I served as a Lance Corporal, "Foo Fighters" were often seen over the battlefield. The sightings were recorded by many brave men, though suppressed by the military establishment." --- he sounds semi realistic about 1 percent of the time, such as here:http://usnisa.org/cosmic_cube/1203.html"The gap between the Is-Ra-El-ites and the Lily-Livered Jew, is like two ends of a magnetic pole. I suddenly understood the positive aspect of the horror of W.W.II. Like most of the rest of the numbskullian "Zionists" Eli suffered from the common Hebrew disease of intellectual-psychosis, despite all the wealth of miracles Jehovah has shown to them in their journey across time. "God chides those whom He loves the best..."" ---- once you get the hang of navigating this site interestingly charged yet mellow trance ambient music is to be found, via http://vitarka.org/  for instance, here's a samplehttp://vitarka.org/Ak-Ka-Ba.mp3--- this man is certainly on a par with Arguelles and Winter (I've actually seen him refer to the latter extensively); so far I like this one:http://nogahshell.net/solution_cube/0601.htmlCOSMIC CUBE CIRCUIT 6.1 TO SYNCHRONIZE CELESTIAL AND GLOBAL INTELLIGENCE THE KNITWORK -- in the complementary circuit (1.6 the ministery of equity) I read he is really RILLY old, "In 1927 I peeked through window 1.6 in the Upper Kingdom and got my first introduction to the Cosmic Cube." --- It's in this kind of scripscrapscribblidiot's wake that fundamaniacally disposed fellow folk are soakasuckered up and let's not get into their wakes yet more. ---- "ASH = Absolute Spiritual Humility" . . well, rite on bro . . .but could you not be a little more consistent and speak of powder's relativity regarding power? I mean, your bedrock and blowing sand simile sucks without a line that has/gives sentience as soul and self generating homegrowing result, you know that? You are plain plum cuckoo there pal and you'll stay that way if you don't trade a little dust comprehension for them hallucinations you been having ever since battle field days. I mean, don't you even distrust those conditions a little bit? Reminds me of Arguelles taking a coming out of delirium fantasy for prophecy rather than a grab for power. Some of your messages are good but to personify too much here and animate too little there is just not gonna cut it hey? . . .. Don't get me wrong, if you are as ancient as you say you are AND show as lively an interest in wikiz googlez and suchz I respect you all the more for it, all I'm saying is why not do that simple last step to perfection, it might be the first of/in/for a whole new system that makes lugging old load redundant and that's just as well if new vistas require having your head and hands free more than ever. ----------http://usnisa.org/cosmic_cube/solution.htmlclosest I could find to an explanation for his 12x12 grid(lock)

 
 

http://us.f2.yahoofs.com/bc/405a2bd1_e1c6/bc/Public/BirthDaySeal.gif?bfFRI9CBFiveCd4n

http://us.f2.yahoofs.com/bc/405a2bd1_e1c6/bc/Public/LeapYear.gif?bfFRI9CBsQRrrZSN
 
 


webexhibits.org/calendars/


greetings from holland kindred kindbleu and other kinds of you -- regarding orbitalmonkeys.com  -- heeeyyyy, hullo from Hollowland, I mean holland; I take it even the groovy art focus (you are all to me very obviously benefitting in/from, seeming to make a living from dance music collectives) gets overwhelmed with a one size fits all fundamentalism in the case of Arguelles and upper echelons (mark heley, kernel cornyflour cunt to just name the ones I had personal run ins with. ----- Yesterday's self-generating seal taught me that people, if they can afford themselves the luxury will paint themselves into a corner; their lingo will get more and more cryptic, laden with associations so heavily that the only logical next step is the one into number wielding and soon big ones are flailing about and chasing each other in the vicious circle of inflations (number/ego) causing a cramped authoritarianism that will abuse unity, harmony and synchronicity concepts as obiedence/imposition tests helpful in defining in and out crowd clearly on a quest to go global, in other words same old same old Stupid stewpit centralization silliness. ------- There is nothing wrong with laying another gear/sprocket - keyword/category on/in your system if you can find the axes/memory to bear 'm and the skill to make that extra juggling ball fly too to draw the requisite oohz and aahz and ball manufacturecruits, just as long as you realize strawberries go bad if you try stretch 'm over to wide a space and to large a span of time, if you pass 'm through too many hands, etcetera. Folk like Arguelles, Keyserling are pretty inventive and are like a collection of idiot savants all by themselves but we must not forget that one can never gainfully, usefully nor profitably centralize, harmonize, pyramid stack or whatever the noble arts of soft fruit growing and cosmological keyword knit/run/kindle to candle holding. --- links found via om: sister-resister.com/open/spiderweb.html  operator there appeared on the art pole of http://opensewer.com/

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Subject: Wilber critics ---- Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004  ---- From: pensievepiet ------ To: welllmm@wanadoo.nl-------  I remembered WIThompson's criticism of Wilber and went looking for reverb; didn't take me long . .. http://207.44.196.94/~wilber/combs2.html  .. . . . This confusion comes in large part from a failure to fully appreciate the nature of integral consciousness. In The Eye of the Spirit Wilber comments that "Gebser vigorously attempted to include the spiritual domain in his work, but it soon became obvious that he simply was not aware of�or did not deeply understand�the contemplative traditions that alone penetrate to the core of the Divine" (p.71). To my mind this is like saying that Leonardo da Vinci did not understand perspective, though he tried vigorously to capture it in his art. In fact, as William Irwin Thompson recently observed while contrasting Gebser's writing with Wilber's own: Gebser�is the genuine article, a grand European thinker with a grand vision�a true philosopher of art and culture who prophesied in the 1940s the shift to the new chaos dynamical mathematical understanding of nature, the new appreciation of matristic values in a dissolving of patriarchy, and the new spirituality beyond reactionary religious and deficient magical cults�Spiritual without being occult, Gebser also managed to avoid the psychic inflation of the self-elected guru� [14] ----------all systems are rigid and deadly, unlifelike in the sense that all borders bleed. Systemics aid caste rather than coordination more often than not; they hardly ever show up without hierarchy and send all takers/comers into an endless wilderness of labyrinthine sorry symbology set up to drive some agenda or other (easy sex, booksales, talkfees you name it). Rigidity is a useful property for tools; should I find folk like minded, qualified and equiped enough to start realizing some of my mobile and musical rockmudification the resulting tangible proof of profitability for proper mixing procedure will just sweep all this airy fairy stuff aside, or absorb a lot of it rather. Nothing as convincing as satisfaction and the slow food movement is only the start of the rainbow food more and lore. The latter may be the ultimate aim of tortugans and Panfolk but they for now are too busy adding gears to their vehicles and looking for passengers, a hopeless quest if you ask me.

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
from the tortuga caravan page I end up here:
phoenixvoyage.com/
http://home.iae.nl/users/lightnet/paramahamsa/mayancalender.htm
beyondthedoor.co.uk/gate/jenkins.htm
crawford2000.co.uk/maya.htm
jaguar-sun.com/calendr.html
greatdreams.com/mynproph.htm
galacticalchemy.com/

beyondthedoor.co.uk/gate/et.htm
the whole thing in a nushell woven around Richard Boylan

earthmatrix.com/serie26/pakal-01.htm  PAKAL, THE MAYA ASTRONAUT: A STUDY OF ANCIENT SPACE TRAVEL by Charles William Johnson

beyondthedoor.co.uk/gate/index.htm  ------ links to the most convincing ancient astronauts site I've come across so far (probably cause it's very cutting edge webdesign more than anything and cause before the astronomy derails into ufo fabulation the narrator ((who is (((happily married))) Jason Martell)) mentions Sitchin was Palestinian); http://xfacts.com / just listened to some dialogue at this mostly succinct no nonsense site about the imperfectly to the point of un- known reason for celestial wobbles, disappearing continents and other fashionable stuff until the fella fascinated by Cydonia mentions Sitchin (not unexpectedly but I did not yet know he) was a palestinian.

http://artemis.austincollege.edu..poot/The_mayan_world_of_venus.1.html  by José Antonio Poot (no links to the rest of his site)

postscript the 16th
http://mysite.freeserve.com/LucidCrossroads/mayan.htm dream focused, makes a similar page about martial arts

thevenue.org/mayanarticle.htm I dislike unmixed pleasures/blessings since only a proper balancing act with the elements is sustainable in the sense of creating a future, no swimming or fireball swinging will ever help any practitioners (subjectees/indulgees) garden grow other than by allowing them vigorous excercise.

kachina.net/~alunajoy/calendars.html has her own take on/source for/info from the maya apparently, works with these  .. . ? ehm, . .. webbers (20 of 'm, it's a party): starelders.com/http://www.kachina.net/~alunajoy/2004jan.htmlForgetting to fall - the choice is yours --- veel belovende titel maar het betreft werk van een stupid sedonian, ook weer iemand die liever niets met duisternis te maken heeft en er op 'frownt' -- "We are puzzled why you feel the light and yet place your faith in darkness." -- obsessed with power and ignorant of powder, same old same old boring truer recursion blockage.kachina.net/~alunajoy/98june2.html 20 different calenders and other Arguelles parallels.

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Ivry, what's the deal with the 'genesisformulae'?? Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 5:21:05 AM EST From: pensievepiet To: ivrydov@netvision.net.il - hey Ivry, how are you doin' bud? Yar site is offline, did you know? I need your opinion on something I found; here it is: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/spiritualscience/I wonder what the fun is of a 'group' when one dominates the posting to the extent this '888' here does(very good job on the ((candied)) colourscheme though) and Jon Chance does (? haven't been over there in quite a while); anyhoo, this place is pointed to from http://innerouterministries.tripod.com/  the inner part, though I haven't discovered any difference between the 2 versions of sermonizing. I arrived at this site cause I searched 'hoffstein alphabet'. A certain William John Meegan is one of the so far few folks to be hosted by Reverend Omar Kayyan Yeldell (1/16 afro by the looks of him) a very eclectic and global flavor minister. Mister Meegan has his own site too and that is quite a suprise place to me since he seems to use pretty much my style of changing textcolour per alinea and background colour per file; another fascinating aspect of this man that he is a welcome addition to my idiot savant collection of 'kleedjesknopers', matrixmadness or, as I decided yesterday I'll call my yahoo group: 'mathtrixtreatease' collect and cull club; I bet it's bound to ease us back into trees in no more time than it takes to build a few model 1000 year old trees while we wait for the real ones to reach that stature. Hey, we'll fake it if that's the only way to quickly make it. ----- check the intro and the intriguing way of constructing a david star: /BirthofChrist/at the bottom. ------ /genesisformulae/commedia_index.html  Index of Web Pages on Dante Alighieri's Mathematical System ---/myhomepage/index.htmlEXPLAINING THE GENESIS FORMULAE by William John Meegan

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
egalite.com/new-index2.html  5 lingual site with a forum (not exactly busy nor pretty in my eyes, not like this one: wasistzeit.de(frequented by pubes who just use it as a chat unfortunately) -- this no longer religious jew ('28) offers a whole book, here's what he says about hierarchyInteracting inferiorities, individual and collective, produce hierarchy. Superiors "need" followers. Inferiors "need" someone to obey. Leaders squander life and property, but no matter how often leadership disappoints, we believe new leaders will be different. What motivates our urge for hierarchy? Collective image psychology says it is our need to see ourselves as better than that despised mass. Were we to see humanity as jolly good fellows, we lose our taste for battle. When we are equal, we are what we are and what we are is human. We do economic battle even though economic hierarchies contradict closely held beliefs. Major religions tell us rich men will not enter heaven, but many seek wealth. When the urge for distinction is collective, nationalism results. Groups strive to distinguish themselves from other groups because we prefer superiority to equality. We are better, we tell ourselves, because we are rich, famous, American, English, or whatever. We should see ourselves as essentially alike, because nothing alters our common humanity. That is indeed the rub. Seeing ourselves as everyman strikes many as a serious demotion. Collective image psychology has us equal, not identical. We come in different sizes and colors; different abilities and talents, but no matter what comparative we use to establish superiority, the judgment is arbitrary, meaningless, and insane. All of us will be dead a long time. It is difficult to grapple with madness of this magnitude, but we must begin. Before exploring where positive collective imagery takes us, let's examine the sources of collective inferiority. This will be painful. The culprits are ideas we desperately want to believe are true.

 
 
 
 
 
 
 

earthmatrix.com/Science in ancient artwork - measurement mania if you ask me .. . whoops, already linked to this Pakal as astronaut fabulator before.



 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
chez.com/angelaveliz/peintures/tonalites/les_tons.htm#
some art inspired by the 13 count

peopleforchange.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=8676
2 versions of Bin Laden's latest
(offering/asking truce/non-agression pact with europe) --
 poster does this blog:
http://ductapefatwa.blogspot.com/

Week-of-Mon-20040412/008231.html [lbo-talk] Once the "Most Despotic Males" Are Killed Off . . .The New York Times, April 13, 2004 -- No Time for Bullies: Baboons Retool Their Culture -- By NATALIE ANGIER Sometimes it takes the great Dustbuster of fate to clear the room of bullies and bad habits. Freak cyclones helped destroy Kublai Khan's brutal Mongolian empire, for example, while the Black Death of the 14th century capsized the medieval theocracy and gave the Renaissance a chance to shine. -- Among a troop of savanna baboons in Kenya, a terrible outbreak of tuberculosis 20 years ago selectively killed off the biggest, nastiest and most despotic males, setting the stage for a social and behavioral transformation unlike any seen in this notoriously truculent primate.    In a study appearing today in the journal PloS Biology (online at plosbiology.org), researchers describe the drastic temperamental and tonal shift that occurred in a troop of 62 baboons when its most belligerent members vanished from the scene ----- Karin Zirk at the alt.gathering.rainbow google group goes: "That's pretty much what happened to the Swedes. They used to wage war against everyone for fun and profit. The last time they did this (a few hundred years ago), the entire generation of men died leaving only the young and the elderly men. Ever since then the Swedes have focused on caring for themselves and remaining at peace with the world."

 
 
 
 
ART fantastic colourful collages
olgaspiegel.com/olga.html
sublimatrix.com/html/GalerieIII.html
disorientxpress.com/prints.htm

 
 
http://groups.msn.com/RainbowFamilyOfLivingLightLINKS this is an odd roundabout laborious and impractical but complete effort to find and present rainbow links (dead, embryonal or alive), an attempt to make partial mirrors (of at least the front page) for the targeted sites but the maker hasn't figured out how to do the backgrounds yet I guess

http://e.webring.com/hub?ring=washy105 hippy sites, almost all of 'm into supplying you with material for patch-, bead- and whatknot work


 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Y'old haps and misheaps at the tortuga board
(calender change peace movement)

ok, so I DID reregister and thus made what I sent kin goucher earlier today into a lie: I have once again taken the trouble to approach a 'kin' http://spectralsnd.tripod.com/  who goes: "ya thanks. i wish i could speak to pacal votan himself and ask why he chose them. besides the numerology that seems so precise. i wonder is there is more to the mystery of the tomb than we realize."---- no shit podner, . .. like . .  how about the fact thatfive sacrificed folk were found around it?? How come you never hear Arguelles about that? Family wars are family secrets? Including Muhammad's? How about all that? And the fact that you are all a sacroSELFsanctogratifying bunch of no good run yar mouth megalomaniacs???? An ostracized kin(3 eagle on 3 eagle).--- ps: you are free to post this in my name, I won't bother to reregister and start a cat/mouse game like john does. ----- I should probably add I disobeyed my intuition and lent my ear too long to (even at from one bowl with) a young german (under severe virus attack at the time as I was to be a week later) who spent some childhood years near the maya monuments (includes movies and mentions Linda Schele and David Freidel who made a favorable first impression on me too). He disallowed his body rest and commited other offences against reason such as arguing for death as a privilege and badge of accomplishment. He had soaked up and obviously admired the poor poetry of that generous Austrian Arguelles clone at maya.at  but could not be tempted to see (drug)law enforcement from a standpoint across the 'divide' (and that wasn't bycause he had any scruples to manipulate and/or leave his body), he had lost his apprenticespot due to an indictment on grounds of an empty cannabis bag. He told me all this in the Southern German town I got frisked by undercovers before I'd even spent 5 minutes there. I left him to go visit the fairy castle Schangau (or -stein) with Ishi(?) that (next to the dalai lama) most famous Tibetan who escaped the Chinese with the 35 kilos that they left him with over a decade ago. -- I'll be sending this to another kindiot wildwallacewarrior KIN 56 luke.wallace@bre.com.au who likes palenque too

worlddreamspeacebridge.org/artgallery.htmnice one by Gilles Papon

americantesol.com  getting people jobs teaching English overseas.

http://groups.msn.com/HunabhPakal  I know this one too.

rootsweb.com/~mosmd/this is a large work about the invasion of turtle island, story starts of in Holland

earthportals.com/Portal_Messenger/vandebogart4.htmlHey waddayaknow?? Willart has married a Thai lady and moved to her place in 2001

siloam.net/pacal/Astroarchaeology page (these guys side/go with the Jenkins yarns/takes on Maya) -Proof that Pacal Passed Through the Gateway of Gods --- In his international best seller, The Tutankhamun Prophecies, Maurice Cotterell proposed that the great monument built in the memory of Lord Pacal and known as the Temple of Inscriptions to Mayanologists, was built as an illusion, or as he puts it, as transformers. Cotterell puts it into these words, "Maya Transformers: Designs that 'transform' into many more pictures when the secret code is broken." ----- Elsewhere on this page I run into a timeline and just after the blinking layer we are supposed to live through around now, run into proof positive that mayan mythology/iconography has precisely the degree of incomprehensibility that allows the fantast to read whatever he (usually) wants to, into it. What they don't understand to do is remove the head (by turning it off) when it is in the way of approaching and understanding rock/time (verifying Hamaker, Hensel et al) non personifyingly (gee, it's been a long time since I repeated myself thusly)

tortuga.com/cgi-bin/ikonboard.pl?s=409697..Jose what's-his-face really knew what he was about when he created it - he's a highly skilled shaman, I have no doubt of that. He's familiar with the psychology of the human race, so he knows how to create a really effective system for creating feelings of peace and calm and happiness in the human mind. Cause that's all this system really is. All the "practical" benefits you guys are espousing for it are bullshit, sorry.

And then of course there is the post about the eating disorder manifesting as an urge to mount the scales to the point where it eats up large globs of your time . .. .hilariously enough, people thank the poster for broaching such a weighty subject without however noting the ironic analogy to the calculitosis rampant and virulent around the tortuga board. What a howler. ---------------

skywalker: "The Day out of Time IS COUNTED as the day out of time." ----- OK, so how rhyme skipping a SEAL (not a sunupndown). Doing a spurty sprint to catch up with a lag of them after 52 years is even more absurd if you wanna be true to form (seal sequence) ------ "Dr. Arguelles covered that on page 52 of "Time & the Technosphere" you have read it, right?" ------ Yeah, read it and sold it 10 euros off. Remind me, I don't remember him mentioning victims/companions or whatever. --------------- goucher: "we might even be able to take earth out of orbit and go for a cruise around the milky way!" ----- not bashful or modest are you?


 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
new sig at the tortuga board: rocks (especially the specimen/formations hit by light) are like the old style spring alarms wound up too tight. ----- Topic: 'Clear' Signs, sarcophagus lid ok (skywalker or would) anybody care to explain what the 5 sacrificed/privileged dead bodies were doing near the tomb; does page 52 of Technosphere really say anything about it? ---- eleven star goes: Page 52 of Time and the Technosphere says: "Yes, the Maya most definitely knew that time is the universal factor of synchronization, so their synchronometers must have been for the purpose of attaining a master synchronization with the cosmos. This presupposes such a different state of mind that all the values of the present day must be challenged. The mystery of it is that this mathematics and time science developed in the New World, remote from the saga of civilization in the Old World. The fact that the later Maya practiced ceremonies and blood rituals, the fascination of so many present day archeologists, should not detract from the understanding that these ceremonial practices stem from a totally different perception of life - and death. Before we judge, we must consider the inescapable truth that nothing in history matches the terror of the different kinds of war and weapons of mass destruction that characterize the fifty-six-year cycle of the technosphere, 1945 - 2001. Who is then more barbaric - the Maya, or modern man, "Homo technosphericus"? "------------ clever yet shitpoor defense of gruelsomeness innit? If you have to resort to the freshest worst and most awful thing you can conjure up (((see debate raging over death of dutymen here:lt-smash.us/archives/002848.html#002848post about fragging (via maxspeak.org) at a tan blog by a miliman who calls hissself Citizen Smash The Indepundit: "This Guy Wants Me Dead MORE FUN AND GAMES at Portland Indymedia: http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2004/04/286815.shtml27.Apr.2004 14:17 114 comments by 04.May.2004 15:08 adopt a soldier stop the war -- Write a letter to a soldier to let him/her know what people really think of this war. Send a photo of a dead Iraqi civilian. Send a photo or message about an anti-war protest... Outreach to soldiers is the best way to persuade them to stop killing civilians. Maybe they will even begin fragging (killing their officers) like in Vietnam. It's worth a try... It would appear that the so-called "Peace Movement" is once again openly advocating murder. Nice. (Hat tip: Blackfive)" -- this post gets a lot of comments: 58, the man mixes irreconcilables in a way I, who do so too, don't like. Anyway, I went on to his source and find a camouflage coloured site with lots of trackbacks I should be reading soon (though the present printer I have at disposal is a disaster of an old type hp when it comes to double sided work . .err. . .working it doulbesidedly): blackfive.net/main/2004/05/evil_and_coward.html  ----- one of the many (conservative) trackbacks:townhall.com/columnists/benshapiro/printbs20040428.shtml  -- notes North Carolina, Urbana-Champaign, Portland and Washington, D.C indymedia sites as places where criticism of Pat Tillman was found and declares all of Indymedia a cancer (of the left) for it (using grand sweeping collectivization technique in order to do so of course but who's gonna stumble over a splinter that splits fruitful vision of elemental balance and mix into the poor man's polarity flame and fuel. .. .and you 'll know exactly what I mean)))in order to make a flaw appear as little and even relative favorable as possilbe by contrast in comparison, you are obviously down to a back against the wall choicelessness .. . .. but in a a sense that's the aim after all .. . or even right from the start in the first place innit???

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
back to the tortugadrawing board
 for a spell .. . ehr ahum .. .rite . .. site

sunwolf: Ok, the burden of proof is on you. I don't recall any skeletons found in the tomb with Pacal's sarcophagus. Plus how does one tell if a skeleton has been 'brutally sacrificed'? ------piet: who are you citing here? -------- sunwolf: I think you made this up to get a charge out of people. -------piet: No, I read it in a big fat book called the mexico mystique by Frank Waters if I recall correctly. He did a whole lot more levelheaded research than you will ever manage. perhaps he refers to it here too: Speeches ... By Frank Waters. ... in the Earth's surface, but the mineral deposits and the waters below. ... Mexico, Teotihuacan, and the Mayan religious city of Palenque, were laid ...frankwaters.org/speeches.htm  - 34k  (plenny more hits where this came from --------- wunsolf: I am addressing you, how .. ----- piet: christ, I know you are adressing me, I am asking if you thought you were citing me too and if so in what context. ------ Sunwolf: Frank Waters doesn't speak of any skeletons or sacrifice at Palenque,Poetpiet: so, you have read mestico myxique too eh??? Don't have that book handy, read it furtively at a friends many miles back, so, sorry, you 'll just have to be patient. Maybe I'l try dig through the Frank Waters (in connection to Palenque) links some more, something I can recommend. And I don't believe having used that phrase you like to repeat and insinuate I said by adding quote marks, at least not in this thread. I may have said so somewhere in connection to mayan repute in general. Even if all that sortashit came down after the demise/stage vacation of Pacal, it still rubs off on him at least a little donnit??? ----------skywalker 22: poetpiet, I wish you would stop making these things up. Don't bring them here without the proof to back it up.-------- And I wish you all would stop turning the fact that I read about skeletons in the closet, sorry, tomb someplace (most likely "Mexico mystique" - find the passages on Pacal somebody please) into something I merely made up. That gives me the right to accuse you of the same but I won't (for once and cut you some slack since you haven't stricken me off the registree again just yet). ps: I've hinted at the difficulties providing evidence immediately.

 marlon in the okay thread does a ps edit after a long rant (pledging faith in the movement if not the method)p.s., I hadn't read poetpiet's post before because it was too long and filled with links, and if you've felt the same way, read again, for me at least his words (skip over the links) read like zen poetry, they burble over my mind leaving me with shivers inside my spirit and incredulous laughter in my soul - it's really beautiful, I wish I could write like that. Rock on, poetpiet. --Marlon, here's a link I am asking you to not skip nb.no/baser/schoyen/5/5.12/index.html magical literature (inspires me to stante pede try replace the term 'bullshit' with penispull, penispulse or penispoint perhopes). ----- this prompts rhythmic earth's 23rd message: "sweet link... wow... I also like the Frank Waters one... "  ----- skywalker 22:.. .wrong in your slam against Dr.Arguelles because you were wrong." ------- dat be some shitsound reasoning brotha, those kind of argument shortenings and condensations are indeed better done privately but I hope you try keep up with aron, out in the open and writing it all out as creatively and often as need be. Keep your repetitivity (repeativity? repetitiveness?) alert out and you can't possibly be taken for a spammer. -- Ps, don't you agree all out adulation (the kind that finds a mocking challenge offensive and god borfid punishable) is as dangerous and/or annoying as irreverent disrespect????

wavespell.net/default.asp?pageid=55  you be the judge .. .. are these folks stuck in their childhood or what????? .. .and what about that cube at the top, ain't it got 2 of them last years wild cancerous growths of symbols (abstract and cerebral rhythm thingamajigs) missing to close the cycle, eh, sorry, complete the cube??? I know, I know, out of line, looking for my own ideal overtakeover instekendoorhalenaflatenglijden pattern -- geez, and I was privileged to get to know these wheezers in belgium early last past spring without appreciatin it - they never even explained their enigmatic assertion of having come cause I was there. --- now they're having a featured guest who calls herself a rainbow and has a webpresence of telling magnitude: releasethereality.com/real1.php  - 60k and arcobaleno.net/personaggi/giovannadarco.htm  her horoscope or something -- found 'by extension': http://norlonto.net/ "just pray the church doesn't find out about it" ----- skywalker 22's 259th post: Actually I thought aeiihlrs, poetpiet, anonymous 1,2,3 & johnyspectralkin would get the hint. Maybe, It was wasn't clear enough? Here are the posted rules for this board. Please note that all spam(intentionally repeated posts), inflammatory topics and posts will be deleted immediately and the usernames IP address who posts them will be banned as well. If you have discouraging and inflammatory remarks, or anything else of the like, please create your own website and message board. IT WILL NOT BE TOLERATED.  ----- ps: should anybody feel the urge to read my work out loud be advized best effects can be realized when read in a musical jocular, jovial and all round cheerful loving way wearing a smirk and pulling faces. This is absolutely essential and the only form of copyright I like to attach (though of course, not enforce)

http://russia.tortuga.com/drsplen.zip great software to get an idea of this calender change (and through it) peace advocating movement and don't miss the account of chief tortugan's (around the) world(in 33 days)tour ('of duty') wherein the man of course gets ill again of course from his restless haphazard hopenstance erratic and all too fast moves along hippy HQs, Shinto spaces and sundry pure and promissory places (often enormously difficult to reach and attented by few yet while in New Zealand he reflects on Frodo's near final remark that they (the companions) have been away for 13 months and extracts a prophetic omen in favor of his worldwide movement fully expecting things to look up right after he has visited to flip some sacred switch by way of saying prayers and blowing on a flute occasionally).

yahoo group Vision_of_the_Future offers fetish numbers in connection to geometry and spin -- "take the vertex, face, and edge pairs of a cube you find 13 dimensions of potential spin that nest the cube within a 13 dimensional cuboctahedral matrix"

are you poet pete as in Galactic Sun of the Brisbane Bio-region??? If not - oops! :) sorry, but if so HEY DUDE!!! ~gillian~red~crystal~serpent~ --------- I'll prejudice/forwarn you right now - I'm a mere eagle who couldn't possibly reach the sun but with old and various counts differing I am not so sure one's seal is all that believable anyhow.

tortuga.com/cgi-bin/ikonboard....[QUOTE]New studies at the Peten jungle site of Cival have unearthed the oldest known carved portrait of a Maya king and two massive stone masks, discoveries indicating that the Maya developed a complex and sophisticated civilization hundreds of years earlier than previously believed.[/QUOTE] --- 1: so all this carving and chipping must have produced quite a bit of dust they are likely to have chucked into their compost, the effects of which may have been a more likely than not subconscious drive to produce more and more mystifying enigmatic and grand monuments. How's that for wild speculation? I am of course on about my eternal theme: soil health = soundest banking etcetera as explained (prettyest) here: http://www.championtrees.org (check the soil menu) 2: great, spread 'm out and around .. . I mean those who take up offers like the following itzmal.com.mx/english.htmPAKAL VOTAN THE COSMIC DIMENSIONAL MESSENGER MAR. 17-28, 2005 MEXICO --- . . .. commercial enterprise riding on arguelles fame and paying royalties or unconnected/parallel strain of romanticized central america??? .. .either way, it's a pretty page.

11th of may, today treefrog posts a list of links referring to the discrepancy between tradional and dreamspell versions of mayan count (also referred to as long versus transitional) tortuga.com/cgi-..


 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

Topic: connections of the harmonics, with the bio-psychic centers
mr goucher (the podner) writes: the first set (the throat) is the 'input harmonic:            inform'.
the second set (for the heart) is the 'store harmonic:     remember'.
 the third set (for the solar plexs) is the 'process harmonic:       formulate'.
the fourth set (for the root) is the 'output harmonic:         express'.
the fifth set (for the crown) is the 'matrix harmonic:  self-regulate'.
 ----  I always thought the keywords to characterize the five folds arguelles adopted were easiest to comprehend out of the lots (and still growing lots) of the fractionation schemata, (note I did not say schizmata but I'll save that coinage for a hotter fight) he came up with. Personally I don't think one is a very good cosmologist untill juggling and jiggling quite a few of them. For fun with keywords I refer you to Arnold Keyserling who has also made grammar into a manifold marking our integration and embeddedness in time and space. Quite intrigueing if I may say so  .. .. .  wish y'all happy crossreferencing and tighter knitting through going the distance and spending the time. On that note I might as well ask if the ancient western elements/ingredients of our terrestrial life earth -- water -- air -- fire do not find some sort of reflection in red --- white --- bleu --- yellow ? so today is polarization day is it? The definition mentions stability but I think of most presently popular and dominant polarized situations as unstable yet sterile. Something like the west vs islam rather than the light vs dark in the literal version I keep hammering on bit after bit year after year .. . . ..

 
 
 
 

tortuga.com/cgi-bin/ikonboard.pl..491Topic: maya or dreamspell, not the same.. (plus links of discussions on this topic so far).... thanks for that link (though the numbers are definitely for the more advanced amongst us aspiring asperger/autist idiot savants, that is to say, waaaaay to big and fractitious for me .. . . anyway I'll give 'm a shot), the english page be this one: http://cronopolis33.htmlplanet.com/about_me.html"Number 666 is indeed one of the most important numbers in Teotihuacan, it appears on the wheels of 36 rays which have been found in the zone, one of them, the most interesting one, which is found on the entrance to the Teotihuacan room in the Anthropology Museum; due to the grotesque of this, it is considered that it was added by the Aztecs, as in the center of this enormous 36-ray wheel a human skull is found. (DEATH) It is an enormous 666 since, in counting progressively these rays, from number 1 to 36, as if these were 36 steps, 1+2+3+4+5+ etc. up to 36, we find the figure 666. It might seem to be an isolated fact, however, other wheels have been found, without any skull but with the same number of rays." ------- well, did I say too much? pretty cuckoo all rite.  see next issue (/logbriefer.htm for now, will be /june.htm later)


 
 
 
 
 
 
http://voices.cla.umn.edu/newsite/authors/ERDRICHlouise.htmvoices from the gap women writers of color LOUISE ERDRICH b. 1954 The earth was full of life and there were dandelions growing out the window, thick as thieves, already seeded, fat as big yellow plungers. She let my hand go. I got up. "I'll go out and dig a few dandelions," I told her. Outside, the sun was hot and heavy as a hand on my back. I felt it flow down my arms, out my fingers, arrowing through the ends of the fork into the earth. With every root I prized up there was a return, as if I was kin to its secret lesson. The touch got stronger as I worked through the grassy afternoon. Uncurling from me like a seed out of the blackness where I was lost, the touch spread. The spiked leaves full of bitter mother's milk. A buried root. A nuisance people dig up and throw in the sun to wither. A globe of frail seeds that's indestructible. - Love Medicine --------

for a very favorable review of her work see http://dancingbadger.com/erdrich.htm  There is an essential difference between the sensibilities of a Margaret Atwood or a Leslie Silko and Louise Erdrich, for all the "feminine sensibility" of each. When I try to touch the difference, it slides away under me. I was about to write, "Atwood and Silko focus on Truth, Erdrich on Love." But that's not it. Atwood's books are full of hard-eyed, fierce love. I think I came upon it last night, half asleep: Atwood and Silko are predators; Erdrich is not. This is an uncomfortable comparison, because we have so many strange stereotypes about predator/prey. Who wants to be "just a deer" if you can be a lion? What's admirable about a rabbit, compared to, say, a fox? So we respect and admire Atwood/Silko for their ferocity (even if, occasionally, we wish Silko would not claw us so damned bad, and we are careful to stay out of Atwood's reach). And we are a bit patronizing about Erdrich's soft eyes and soft mouth and her stews and the blankets tucked around sad faces.
 
 

thread/poll about war's necessity to which the last commenter before me (seventh) makes a remark about chess --- I go: in my optic (dutch expression/shorthand for point of view one relates from and perspective in which one finds sufficient ground to make judgment calls) on a scale of 1-13 war is one, chess is thirteen and making rock dust is seven (interestingly enough, that last word has the . . . tributary but I think/feel not secondary meaning of sieving - zeven=7). metatags for all files at poetpiet's place ... com last edits: june 2000 Keywords, prominent names ... participate or prosecute by Poetpiet Find similar ... roots of capitalism; agression expressed constructively ...poetpiet/keywords_proper_names_and_brief_descriptions.htm   - 63k I think I am living proof that agression, as a symptom of real and/or perceived scarcity turns, tunes and tones up into effective force when and once it has set its sites on a huge (and hard to miss no matter from how far off the aim gets focussed) goal. I am in a similarly staked (high) achiever's league as colleague Arguelles, he merely likes to produce clocks with many and multicoloured hands which is already producing a drag on the works, as long as it's mechanical and material (the push for publication has this form of resistance and drag inbuilt) but me, I want to build them much much stronger (saving enough energy on timing accuracy calculation omissions in favor of spacing for the finest and most optimally moisturized and/or cloudseeding pro(RE)duct possible).

in a 'treefrog' dominated thread about the count confusion someone posts bioregionalcongress.org / - quite a few turtles on this page announcing a 2005 event in the southern bleu ridge mountains of north carolina. I don't want this anecdote to reflect in any way on this valuable site (nor would I like to hear you say I have always got to nag about something distractingly) but I was reminded of my first wild turtle siting while in the US almost 20 years ago. It was hanging by it's leg in a tree and had been there long enough for elongation and swelling to be clearly visible. I was rather shocked, a plausible reason I don't like to remember very clearly where I was but it was likely to have been on some sort of reservation or hippy hillbilly stronghold (snapping twig weakhold thicket more like)  and certainly in the general vicinity of the conf location (somewhere between mid and southern smokies). If it's any comfort to you (when modernity rather than primitive use constitutes cause of demise), I saw many many turtles partly damaged and/or fully flattened on the Missouri roads I sweatingly pedaled along in may getting on toward Memphis and my 28th birthday. Not skeptical, just letting heavily hitting experience speak.

http://oaks.nvg.org/ind-3.html  entirely responsible use of color at a multiculturally sourced collection of tales and wise dome stuffed site from Norway, happy wisdomsit. A nice (and quirkily phrased) rant on cults here: http://oaks.nvg.org/re2ra15.html  "Natural strivings toward meaning, unions and fulfilments are made use of in cults - and too harshly. it often shows up" --- he says "airy goals" but means lofty sondra.net/links/na-education.htm  American Native Links


 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
free-minds.org/articles/science/19.htm  A Mathematical Sura Like It (19 code skeptic) Article by Ian McNamara.

 Dr. Khalifa tells you (mp3) how he found the mathematical miracle of the Quran. 1668K -- very uninformative with regard to the 19 code, jus an anecdote about he got to have access to computer power (he was contracted to crack the brewing waste yeast cell and get at it's protein for Anheuser Bush) --- found here: message-of-god.com/Proof%20of%20the%20Quran.htm

ropelist.com/articles/english/code19/mhamed.html  doesn't exist at the moment but .. . the webarchive helps out.


 
 
 
 
 
 
 

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243 -- Joined: June 2002 ---  Posted: June 09 2004,11:19   Quoting John Major Jenkins: This essay presents the interpretation that the Neo-Mayan calendar movement known as Dreamspell, whatever the underlying intentions are, projects a ritual field that is at odds with the age-old field generated by the traditional and authentic Mayan calendar. Why such a new creation, which presumes to supersede the ingenious and still-surviving traditional calendar of Mesoamerica, is even considered necessary, is unknown. This is a central and quite reasonable question that Dreamspell's designer, the visionary philosopher José Arguelles, should address. ------ We  know the ritual field  created with Dreamspell....it is powerful.  One of the most enticing things about this movement is the ritual field we create.  Do we not owe it to ourselves to seriously question the results of this field upon the fabric of our Mayan brothers and sisters whose vast knowledge and comprehension lies in the traditional long count?------- In Jose's response to JMJ's essay I quote and reply, ----- Jose says: "The point of the Thirteen Moon Calendar Change Peace Movement is to return all of humanity to the natural 13:20 timing frequency before it is too late." ----- I say: .... "too late" (?)   Now this sounds like a statement of  fear.  Too late ?  According to  whose clock and calander? ....AND, if you will, WHO IS AFRAID OF THEIR OWN MORTALITY? ---- Jose says: " There are powerful agents who do not wish to see the Thirteen Moon Calendar Change Peace Movement succeed." ------ I say:Agents?  Who hired them?   Are they Illuminati?  For someone as aware of Crowley, Thelema, and Asian cosmology as Mr. Arguelles this rings of David Eike and the majority of Art Bell's radio guests...shall we say it's just another conspiracy theory? ------ Jose says: " The continuing controversy over starting dates perpetrated by the Neo- Mayanists only plays into the hands of these agents. " ----- I say: Neo-Mayanist is a term JMJ uses to describe Dreamspell proponents.  AGAIN,  a totally fear based conspiracy theory...Now that's not to say that we aren't ALL,,, (each and everyone of us) on someone's list or another.....It is the NATURE of the TIMES....and the time IS up to us....each and every one of us chooses to take a breath or not. ----- Jose says: "Whether we are Neo-Mayanists or followers of the Thirteen Moon Calendar, we have much more in common than not." ----- I say: This is pure seperation mentality.  This statement feels like Mr. Arguelles believes we all must be on the same page, calendrically speaking,  to suceed in "the mission".   I know of other globalists who want(ed)  everyone to be on the same page. It is frightening to think of how much the NEW AGE MOVEMENT reflects this globalist standard.   I feel this denies indigenous diversity....ALL ONE has many meanings, and for this one....the differences in all of us is what makes the rainbow. -------Jose says: " We are too few in number to bog down in divisiveness at this critical time. Once we have succeeded in placing humanity in the correct timing frequency with the correct calendar, we can work out our minor differences. In Lake'ch! " ------- I say: Bog down in divisivness?  JMJ is treating Jose' with all the respect due a fellow academician.  In scholastic circles this is mandatory procedure.   PLEASE...Take the time to read this thread all the way through.  It is important, especially in light of the constant barrage of deception prevailing during this apocalypse...which, as you might know, is the grand unveiling. ---- *~in the mirror........placing priorities of learning how to live together excellently, with community, neighborhoods,  activating the tools and resources we have to live ..........Volunteers of Simplicity...  Earth, Soil, Water, Air....and the Essence of divine discovery underneath every stone....and, if we get that right we may want to work on our calendars......Look for the fruit...You will know them by their petrol consumuption.....their truck size....and their gardens....--------------*~Emancipate yourselves from mental slavery, none but ourselves can free our minds*~  Marley

Well, how did you like that sinkrowscientist?

lieske.com/channels.htm - (chinese holism)- http://lieske.com/8ev.htm -- colourcoded trigram matrix - found via writer of that last Arguelles criticism

Dan takes cues and courage from his leads at their most vague and general, when they indicate and allude to secret this that or some other damn thing. Dan seems to treat such hints as solid refs and anchors via which he reaches for and no sooner than that already teaches fertile ground and fruitful practice (which invariable involves looking at squigles made by some dial or other (i am afraid his father started him on that stuff way too early or something).  More proof that the desperate reach for the disparate are Arguelles and the quran 19 code of course but also vincentbridges.com/ophanim/enhandbk.html  another one time close associate of Dan's (cues in the /cherokee file), Vincent hybridizes alphabet symmetry theory, matrices and platonic solids along with hexagrams to concoct a quite severe case of nutsoitis.


 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 


http://poetpiet.tripod.com/july.htm Found some really fresh Arguelles (at least I thought so at first but it looks like it just sorta adds the date when a new you happen to google a new addition to whatnot they index) on this (just mentioned) site too (find more on him in the final block before last of this file):/hier.htm (short file) and /1.htm(a liddul longer ((not date stamped (((sorta curious in itself for folk with such obsession about modernizing the hermeticism of time))) but I've seen it 2 weeks ago)), lists 40 twisted roads purportedly leading to the timewarp) ------------ look at this predictably inevitable squabble - I could have told them that nobody keeps nor needs to keep, account (a, and one same count) the same way: resonateview.org/

 
 

waaaaaay back I went: symbols, gests and value  ... co.uk/1.htm (Humongous multipage piece of work inspired by Arguelles and all ... a site number fanatics are bound to love; it is related to the Vanuto Gematria man ... /vadercats/miscs-n-logs/symbol-n-symbiosis.htm  - 54k   it's now time yall get to make up your own mind about yet another weird notion of balance: "The image on the left is the Mayan Tzolkin in grid form. The image on the right is my Converted Tzolkin. see them here: codeufo/gematria.7.htmlAs mentioned in RANDOM NOTES, I took the Tzolkin matrix (13 by 20 units) in which each square is assigned a number and I replaced those numbers with the letters of the alphabet. It occurred to me to do this because the alphabet of 26 letters fit nicely with the Tolkin matrix of 260 squares. In addition to the internal letters I numbered the grid across the top and down the side, using the series 1 thru 9."

if you, like me, scorn the alien lovers and fanciers (a crop circle appeared 100 yards from here in full view of and no more than 25 yards from a 5 story student flat*) and like to stay closer to home but still get the willies with way wacky wuns go here: .. http://bucksfan.org  - (more on that below here, at the end of this table in ligh yellow) --- I am starting to think one should be wary of noncollaborative and or single person inspired efforts unless they re- and denounce the world like James Joyce did, which delivers insights of an intimate sort: geocities.com/louis_armand

* .wervjournaal.nl/..wageningen.html  you can see the cropcircle here (plus a comment with interesting link) .. . . I paced it out and funny enough the distances are 20:13
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Surfacing from slumber this morn a thought came to me that sums up the reason I seem to obsessive gather one 'oevre d' un idiot savant' after another wun and don't even pretend I can juggle and harmonize 'm but pile them into a steadily mounting heap expressing doubts they will compost nicely at all all the while.

The subtext of my antics is: see, these guys are just a sterile club of jerks jerkin away in private who periodically make the results public in the interest of club survival.

I say sterile bycause the disparacies between and incomparabilities of the various and indeed myriad ways to slice or mark a single unmistakable model like the cube are quite obvious (for instance where is the tortugan white on the ((above)) first linked cube code?), all the more so in the face of the fact that REAL honest to god organic material composts nicely and by contrast productively since in these cases the additions of as widely varied material as possible DOES add quality, and all the (more and more perverse according to degree of incessance guaranteeing nothing but shortlived) systematizin and diagrammatical antics in the worlds of the spiritually inclined are simply detractors and traitors of this, the only actively pacifying true and effective (union in/through) humility (minus the few, casual, and very occasional pointers here and there).

my cure? Apply ledgerism.net  to rate of photosynthesis stimulticultivation.

 
 
Come with me to where MicroNationalism and MacroIndividualism 'moot'

Micronations  dmoz
Micronations  52 of 'm
carolmoore.net/links.html#kohrlinks
Do read some Leopold Kohr please
http://open.thumbshots.org/
includes 5 satirical ones and 
Dispersed Territory (6) 
Extraterrestrial (6) 
Geofictional (34) 
Non-territorial (28) 
Seeking Territory (2) -- 
related categories offer:
 Society: Future: Utopias (18) 
Society: Lifestyle Choices: Intentional Communities (83) 
 2nd and third thumbshot belong to a man I made a little report about (coming up in yellow but first:).

a tortuga board post (had to change my name to poeticpete since last 'clean up'):key kin konundrum .. . . .. actually cubistry is as akin to drumming as rocks are hollow but I do have some discoveries to share that may relate to the pan plot (hold out for the ref to 'key (tzol)kin, it will appear further down): virtuescience.com/zzcube.html  and /zz19.html

you might wanna stop reading now, it gets plain obviously loony from here on down if you ask me but you'd have to be crazy to do that to begin with.
aerodynamicsss.com/original.php
shaka.com/~kalepa/aquarian.htmAlastair Couper on Mark Rodin

http://members.aol.com/codeufo/ezekiel.html  intro and 2 chapters from a book by Gary Val Tenuta (forthcoming) containing alphanumeric code, prophecy and intrigue "the ezekiel code" ------ gematria.4.html  another sample, this one from an earlier (97) effort. ----- .7.html(this is actually on the Tzolkin and inspired this post in the first place).  you all can handle loopy corners and vacuous concept circuitry rite? Have a few more on me: divine-interventions.com  --- bethedream.net/fibpage.htm

waaaaaay back I went: symbols, gests and value  ... co.uk/1.htm (Humongous multipage piece of work inspired by Arguelles and all ... a site number fanatics are bound to love; it is related to the Vanuto Gematria man ... /vadercats/miscs-n-logs/symbol-n-symbiosis.htm  - 54k   it's now time yall get to make up your own mind about yet another weird notion of balance: "The image on the left is the Mayan Tzolkin in grid form. The image on the right is my Converted Tzolkin. see them here: codeufo/gematria.7.htmlAs mentioned in RANDOM NOTES, I took the Tzolkin matrix (13 by 20 units) in which each square is assigned a number and I replaced those numbers with the letters of the alphabet. It occurred to me to do this because the alphabet of 26 letters fit nicely with the Tolkin matrix of 260 squares. In addition to the internal letters I numbered the grid across the top and down the side, using the series 1 thru 9." 

if you, like me, scorn the alien lovers and fanciers (a crop circle appeared 100 yards from here in full view of and no more than 25 yards from a 5 story student flat*) and like to stay closer to home but still get the willies with way wacky wuns go here: .. http://bucksfan.org  - (more on that below here, at the end of this table in ligh yellow) --- I am starting to think one should be wary of noncollaborative and or single person inspired efforts unless they re- and denounce the world like James Joyce did, which delivers insights of an intimate sort: geocities.com/louis_armand

* .wervjournaal.nl/..wageningen.html  you can see the cropcircle here (plus a comment with interesting link) .. . . I paced it out and funny enough the distances are 20:13
............... ......... ....... ....
Surfacing from slumber this morn a thought came to me that sums up the reason I seem to obsessive gather one 'oevre d' un idiot savant' after another wun and don't even pretend I can juggle and harmonize 'm but pile them into a steadily mounting heap expressing doubts they will compost nicely at all all the while.

The subtext of my antics is: see, these guys are just a sterile club of jerks jerkin away in private who periodically make the results public in the interest of club survival.

I say sterile bycause the disparacies between and incomparabilities of the various and indeed myriad ways to slice or mark a single unmistakable model like the cube are quite obvious (for instance where is the tortugan white on the ((above)) first linked cube code?), all the more so in the face of the fact that REAL honest to god organic material composts nicely and by contrast productively since in these cases the additions of as widely varied material as possible DOES add quality, and all the (more and more perverse according to degree of incessance guaranteeing nothing but shortlived) systematizin and diagrammatical antics in the worlds of the spiritually inclined are simply detractors and traitors of this, the only actively pacifying true and effective (union in/through) humility (minus the few, casual, and very occasional pointers here and there).

my cure? Apply ledgerism.net  to rate of photosynthesis stimulticultivation.

BORDERLINE LUNACY abounds in the unattractive leagues not a whit less and declares neo- or webindiginous nations 5th world ones and bucksfan as the premiere amongst them.http://group2.5world.net/this gets you to a yahoo group FifthWorld (unusual url and you'll find more if you look around for other bucksfan stuff((edu.bucksfan   with bibles in 28 languages for instance))), one of many micronations without (and/or not very upfront about) actual territories.  --------- FifthWorld/message/219The founder is a christian who defends gay rights and even poly amorousness. He gives much away about his simplistic, slightly pompous yet, as far as digitally possible, gregarious attempts to keep a semblance of sanity while living in devilish offspring spawning places like devilishly large rome in a post 194referring to earthsociety.org/index.php?pgxfer=310  - (a site with an interest in community currencies). One of the 14 group members posts about prophecykeepers.com  a native american radio show ---- find similarities between him and yours truly here: mount-zion.com/maths/AnalyticTheology2.htm  --- he is a bit of a domain fetishist Cesidian Church — yahweh.god---- Cesidianism in Brief — brief.cesidio.god but don't let this prejudice you about his views regarding the middle east cause these are fair enoughzyworld.com/tallini/micron.htm(with examples of 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th world nations) - here's a piccie of him:ParadisiacalMath.html  (for all you 3in1 structure students and other assorted phrenologists resurgent, now that all the differences are getting mixed and tangled up again I predict rosy days for this line of thinking, despite desparate attempts by the pcers to make dupy dopes associate deportations with death camps rather than repatriations in order to infuse and serve native culture with some crosspollinated refreshments) in which he makes a bold assertion (I for one cannot manage to verify) that he can go beyond Bernard Lietaer.


 

 
Some tortugan thread contributions:
MountainPalace: year later an informant close to the "Dream Scene" landed in my garden....whispering with tear filled eyes words of truth and revelation...It was more information than this one wanted, truly...but friends oft' sit quietly in reception whilst the healing ensues.

As a Watcher this one kept the warm hearth burning while steadfast in her efforts to make available the shared information without becoming a tongue flapper. God only knows how difficult it is to be a container for truth when truth contradicts what you have been told to believe. 

So with all that I will cast my vote for Gardens instead of Calendars. How many of you have tried letting go of time...and seeing just how much can be accomplished in a day*~ how fast the tomatoes ripen in the warm sun...the juicy ripe flavor unmatched by any store.

Happy Summer!
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ho! rite width you there MP, makes my fond memories of chico and environs bubble up, LUTHER BURBANK, roadside walnuts, a movie set type love affair started under a lamppost kind of scenario, all over 20 years ago. again HO! acresusa.com

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key kin konundrum topic tack on (check earlier on/up this issue) ------ *2 (added on the 22nd of june) If there is one writer I know of, that succeeds better than others to apply Joycean tactics (in Ulysses, his most celebrated book, heavy on style variety) it is Arguelles, his styles and fields of application mirror Joyce's in more than one way, since the latter looks at the past and Arguelles prefers to turn/tune to the future for instance. Not that I think Joyce scholars will agree with me any soon on this, heh hee heh . . . .

rhytmic earth tells me that all clubs are 'monorganic' and summons me to look at the trekkies ----- I go: no thanks, that would be the worst possible example which should not be taken into consideration nor too far from or outside of the rest of its family range (stretching from rocks to light for most and beyond for some). I mean no congregation can deny that the ones based on permaculture principles answer to the principles of social bond through united intentions. 

A club is an odd and flexible concept, some help polarize (rite up to the 'high' yet still yet turning point of the momentarily frozen and ever more momentous waves, you know the ones that acquire axis syndrom and start rolling the heavy machinery, marching the lockstep, etc), others help to direct, dispell, brake and breakdown the extreme energypotential the (first mentioned, often chimerae based and socially stratifying due to orchestrationfees for specialization derived 'excellence' type) 'movements' 'build'.

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tortuga.com/cgi-bin/ikonboard.pl ?s=40d7e31104d2ffff&act=ST&f=10&t=393&st=
Topic: The Ray Sequences, The Lion Gene and War
PreS: this post should not in any way be constructed as constituting support for space exploration in any other form than the one hinted at before the ps below (it comes down to a neat inversion, that is creating navigable space (in rock) for the bottom links of life, our constituents and only to be seen as abusable subjects if you don't mind sawing off (the legs from under) the throne of god you sit on, the limb that holds you (and unfolds you all the better if you help unfold it in the proverbial undecidable chegg and icken sequence). So, elbow your way into that willya?

Your words reminded me of 'genesis continuous' by David Calder Hardy . .. .. http://crash.ihug.co.nz/~hardy/gcon.htmlgconsyn.html  short version  updates.html.. . .. which I have read years ago and am suprised to find few references to on the net, a page wit only 16.000 visits in 8 years. This story strikes me as plain plausibility itself and speaks of the slippage, wear and tear in time's various momentae making it, at least it does to me, more obvious that capturing periodicities in all sorts of frequencies and proportions gets more and more futile the closer you try set/discover tolerances pinpoint the cacophonously commanded glib, glidingly eliding and liminal blippery.

libdig ... An update added to Genesis Continuous A New Theory Concerning the Origin and Life of Stars and their Systems. Added to this page 6th January 2001. ... miscs-n-logs/pending.htm  - 56k --
this is not my first ref to GC - it shows up in 40th place when searching with (the following terms ((used as phrase)) in google:) "genesis continuous" . . . .. . . .. whooohw! Appears that this is not the first time I mention it here. iB::Topic::Okay... ... If you have any information, send it to rgrace@rgrace.org ----- has anyone pointed you towards 'genesis continuous by NZ'er Hardy? ... Genesis Continuous. URL: . ... 
http://www.tortuga.com/cgi-bin/ikonboard. pl?s=40b8c5760589ffff;act=ST;f=2;t=340 - 85k---- 56th place in the same search

another set of hits (searching with personal name):
Cosmology Astronomy Alternative Cosmology - Astronomy Alternative
... 5. David Calder Hardy A new theory of the origin of the solar system.
homepages.ihug.co.nz Rate David Calder Hardy 5. ... 
http://astronomy.designerz.com/astronomy-alternative-cosmology. php?cat=325359&q=&stf=10&lim=10 - 79k

1upscience.com/links/astronomy-alternative-cosmology.html 

bonus cosmologist found mixed with 35 colleagues in a netscape directory: /Astronomy,_Alternative/Cosmology  ---------- 

http://www.pageonelit.com/interviews/RMPasichnyk.html

other directory entries: 
Science: Anomalies and Alternative Science (526) 
Science: Physics: Alternative (142) 
Science: Physics: Relativity: Alternative (42)

more should be said about timing and target of the pounce. Since Paul expressed some distaste for juicy solutions to the more unappetizing and wasteful ways of unprincipled personality rather than impersonal principle turnover/metabolism, i suggest he look into the dry variety of getting your rocks on I tirelessly advocate, hover around as well as propone and enthuse about.

via the sciencedaily.com directory (probably the same one I found at netscape, standardization being preliminary to rigidification of mindsets before bodily and then industrial armortis can set in .. . ) and I hit upon a linklist wherein ? categories and the last one bright.net/~mrf/links.html#large has 7 links wereof the last fm/7-sphere/dual.htm one goes: Seven Dimensional (and up) Einsteinian Hyperspheric Universe. This is an intriguing site maintained by Sam Cox.

ps: haven't taken a look at it yet cause frankly, my skill and experience is such that the returns on investing time searching for inspiring art in these quarters are slim and is more like wasting it respectively. . . .. and indeed a precious 1 minute click through teaches that this site is as good as artless.

Happy lion hunting, I do think very personal cruelties such as family, backyard and clan violence are the place to start a substitution competition (and not a christian once and for all sorta scapegoat trick, nor a jewish messiah never yet race always one. And trying to pick the best of both these competitive worlds like Islam did ((and the (((dutch))) proverbial 3rd dog does)) turns more and more ugly and out looking like and into picking a fight) but to be effective we must learn to literally incorporate rocks into the organic whole family, in other words, family must once more be acknowledged worked through and defined as being and prospering only when inclusive of them.

 
 
Tortuga topic 'folding 4d' (posted by Paul) - I go: hey paul, go read some tom pawels and tell me what you think. I might be wrong but pupal and larval mindstated folk tend to worship/like/idolize symmetry, as that seems to beat time best and perfect predictability* with rigid scenarios kindles dreams of that flitflatflexflyabouter best all the while and yet again somore. Sorry, just had to pull that knife outaya Paul. Now go smash and unfold a few crowds of crample crystallinity in some backyard near you if you wish your nearest to become the endearedest of kin any time soon. Nothing ever repeats exactly, only the roughest of rules maintain validity. janosh-art.com/ned/index.htm(to be had in english also).Cropcircle art for all your singular symmetry needs. * comment on a google prospectus(from link below): The letter keeps its jab at Wall Street analysts, noting that companies that try to manage their earnings to be consistent with analysts' forecasts "often accept smaller, predictable earnings rather than larger and less predictable returns."  Week-of-Mon-20040621/013395.html    piet: google seems to like to appear to be the new moral awareness and responsibility spreading, risk reducing religion feeding on the chaotic deluge of information, but if you ask me (come on, take a risk here) they are not really manly till they complement with the force that relaxes formation that produces the lower orders of risk and vitality to ultimately return to chaos it's rewaveweavesetdue self. ----- .. . . or is all they care/have time to do is try to keep their heads above water surfin one google bomb shock wave after another? That would be wimpy but entirely becoming to a corrupt world (full of bootstraps that won't be pullin up much whether you own them or not nor let much pullin down result in compost worth a wonder). ------ nothing ever repeats exactly, only the roughest of rules maintain validity. ---------

Kin Tone Imix/Ahau Pulse Imix/Ahau Pulse Meditation Pulsar Pulsar # 
Magnetic 1:9 nurture unity to enlighten cyclic periodicity Time/Time 4/4
Lunar 10:5 nurture manifestation to enlighten center Life/Time 1/4
Electric 6:1 nurture organic balance to enlighten unity Life/Time 1/4
Self-Existing 2:10 nurture polarity to enlighten manifestation Life/Life 1/1 
Overtone 11:6 nurture dissonant structure to enlighten organic balance Sense/Life 2/1
Rhythmic 7:2 nurture mystic power to enlighten polarity Sense/Life 2/1
Resonant 3:11 nurture rhythm to enlighten dissonant structure Sense/Sense 2/2
Galactic 12:7 nurture complex stability to enlighten mystic power Mind/Sense 3/2
Solar 8:3 nurture harmonic resonance to enlighten rhythm Mind/Sense 3/2
Planetary 4:12 nurture measure to enlighten complex stability Mind/Mind 3/3
Spectral 13:8 nurture universal movement to enlighten harmonic resonance Time/Mind 4/3
Crystal 9:4 nurture cyclic periodicity to enlighten measure Time/Mind 4/3
Cosmic 5:13 nurture center to enlighten universal movement Time/Time -
this is still to cosmigalactically ungrounded for me. Found at synchronometer.com where folks do some serious second splitting to further general welfare I am sure. 

http://s.webring.com/hub?ring=emringcoloured google ads on a mostly white page (???) . .. on the second and third (out of 8) for this 80+ member earth mystery and sacred sites webring they turn white --------  ?ring=cropcircle   90 cropcircle sites - found via leylijnen.com and it via pan-holland.nl

 dan winter has a few new friends in the german speaking part(s) of the world: global_scaling.html ------ raum-energie-forschung.dehttp://ecolog.twoday.net/stories/150084/

 http://forums.bioharmonics.com/index.php?showtopic=15   Light sensitivity and anti-bioenergy, Moved from Polarizers Forum by The Team zayra.de/soulcom/germination /


 
 
 
C

 


Jose Arguelles/Pacal Votan
his followers and related matters

the 19.org forum makes no mention at all of Arguelles or tortuga -- a participant there (most of whom do not have websites) reminds me of rugmakers and who closely that ties into calendering and panoramism: y19.net/55Q.htm

open and public spaces went from wild, diverse, free and predominantly intricately green fabrics to overloaded expensive rapids filled with the sneakysnaky turmoils of contention calling one from bad to worse stopgap after the other progress

crystalinks.com/math.html

http://cosmo-genesis.com/rinri_project_newsletter.htm Jose's life plotted in a cube; he seems certain to survive till 2012 - wants to be worldwide and yet calls some of the inevitable strudels he walks into 'pandemonium' . .. .well . .. .that's what they are, PAN demoniacs

tortuga.com/rinri/RinriProject/rinri1-4-1.html1 through 5 Teaching of the Votans: Valum Votan, the Heart of Nine more historic time and sura pattern correlations

panlibrary.org/pan/11wizard04e.html buddhist terminology couched sermon tailored to this part of Jose's worldwide audience sure to boost morale there (japan; more recent stuff there via panlibrary.org/pan/11wizard.html mostly mirrored from tortuga)

Lincollection posted by Sunwolf (if I remember correctly) at the tortuga board: With close links to the Mayalands Mikhail & Alhoa Patricia Mercier's site is yet to be fully up and running. Put it in your favorites now ready for go-live. This is going to be feast of important information as the pace quickens: mayasunserpent.com/

This site is the best I have come across if you want to cross reference dates from different calenders. Long count dates easily calculated and more...: dr-rock.biz/servlets/mayan?jd=2452952&styl=HDsgjdcx

Try this Austrailian based site for the complete up-side-down view: 2012.com.au/ Earthsong2012 is a site which may inspire and comfort you.

Be sure to put your pin in the map of the planet: taliesin.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/

If I am going out to catch a wave I always carry this with me, its the 2012 link page from the Dire Gnosis site: diagnosis2012.co.uk/link.htm earthportals.com/Portal_Messenger/arguelles.html

The Cartesian Grid - Time is not a line or arrow of " pure duration" between x, y, and z coordinates. 13moon.com/descartes%20prophecy%20link.htm

8 Human biocircuits and larval humans http://deoxy.org/cc-intro.htm and this tortuga.com/science/index.html

Good 2012 info aquarius-atlanta.com/julyarticles/prophecy.html

Other stuff: planetpapp.com/br21december2012/ 59

Carlkin and Fuji: Thanks. Great links. We are getting quite a list. Hopefully nobody will repeat links. Let's keep em coming folks.

Mayan Thelemites angelfire.com/zine2/majik/MayanThelemites.html
Thelema Dreamspell angelfire.com/zine2/majik/thelemadreamspell.html

Tribal Harmonix tribalharmonix.org/

gaianxaos.com/

Elijah Poole Muhammad on that day, and that he is the Last Messenger mentioned in the Quran. ... For instance, Tynetta Muhammad, whom Farrakhan referred to on Feb. ... salam.muslimsonline.com/~ilm/post5.txt - 17k

1998 post showing Tynetta's husband elijah, to have thought himself THE decisive factor in history(, and) jesus godswater2002.com/TESTIMONYFILES/masterfard.htm

Fard Muhammad was elijah's teacher ------------------

tortuga.com/rinri/RinriProject/rinri1-4-1.html 1 through 5 . . .. yeah rite, so a timeslot from the opening of the tomb to some time this year holds 1260 and the remaining stretch to 2013 can be characterized with 2013 proving . . ... . yadayada .. . .. if 1260 is such an artificial measure how can it play such vital roles in this sort of supposed turning pin pointage ????????? --------------- inet.ba/~hardy/code_19.htm refutations (but I find 'm pretty bland and useless) ----------------- christianforums.com/t78954 magical math code (3 pages; poster info includes reputation and blessing numbers)

Thoughts held over from a Planet Art Network PAN vision council
Rainbow gatherings, some activists and lately the calendar change movement (ccm) start out with circles, chants, invocations and introductions, then a quick round to jotting down people's priorities, interests and skills before breaking up to report back later, and all that more than once a day.

My idea of speeding this up is for each person to take a square noteslips with sticky edge and put it on the centrally suspended icosaface carrying his seal; of course, since Kernel chucked me from the board and I am not about to join the msn group PAN-Europeweb yall have to come and read this here.

keyword calls and cues can kindle consensus?
This disregard for grammar often leads to more confusion than it tries to avoid. The reinvention of divination tools to count and account for now as ever ubiquitous and relentless change such as ccm is such a case in question. Their categorical compartmentalization cuts conversation short alright, presumably to leave more time for action (the selfsufficient, native culture like community founding, permaculture practise, etcetera type) but if it is true that hundreds of thousands of folks take this calendar seriously they must still be getting their minds around it to such a timeswallowing extent that little is left for working on such recommendations, even though they come from the highest and highly apocalyptic levels of cultish movement authorities. -- Besides, what's the point if as always, meaning erodes, distinction swims, definition sways and boundaries crumble and blur? No lense stays static, take heart, no beginning is final, our task remains, eternally. Of the three small and strongly urging but stagnant movements I have made close study in the last 20 years the first remains my favorite; lemme do a rough inventory:
1) local/body/will ------------ replenish trace mineral content and interactivity worldwide since it is vital to all parts of the biosphere, beginning with foodstuffs. You just won't be gripping in a thrillingly healthy sense before you've gotten grip to this fact of life. Hint: equate  time-rock-emit let splendidate piet demonstrate that splinter and fract acts allows information to enter formerly compact and that all blessing flows from there in fact.
2) regional/mind ----------- employ community currencies where appropriate (to execute provision of and cover of basic needs; Hint: equate  time-emit -  subject); a region with balanced gender relations will surely show them to be competitive with private ones and hold the latter in check).
3)global/spirit -----------  a synthesis of these two may well lead to sightsetting beyond our solar system but that won't be any easier than pulling of the frontforming with islam and hippydom as components such as Arguelles seems to be shooting for  (he says: GOD = number (and particularly fond of the Quranic code's fetish fraction: 19); GOD = Galactic Ordering Dynamic - Tzolkin = it's all kin)

panlibrary.org/pan/10moon02e.html a little past halfway this 41K doc (comes with japanese fonts) has the Corbin reference; I found some texts in french about him but no images

Here is a good story with a 'text analysis' reminiscent of what the quran code people do: Muhammad, Madonna, Hokhmah ... These are some of the poems, if I may be permitted to use the broadest of definitions, that are found in my book The Sadducee Printouts. ... HOUSE OF CARDS. ...  www.root-1.co.il/thesadduceeprintoutspoems.htm - 101K - --------       4. On The Untranslatable (1) HOUSE OF CARDS. This isn't a poem; I call it a rune, but it's here because I did it to explain something about the poetry of Torah. About 2,200 years ago some dunces in Alexandria decided to translate the Torah from Hebrew into Greek. The Torah cannot be translated into any existing language. The dunces started off by translating the word "Elohim" as "god" when the rules of grammar require Goddess. All masculine gods outside Israel are tripe including this one which these dunces invented and now infests brains far and wide. What I've done is constructed a very simple rune that cannot be translated into any language to show why the Torah, light years beyond this, cannot be translated. The purpose of the rune beyond what's on the surface is to introduce the reader to the number 23, which is the number of the male.(The number 28 is the number of the female.) To translate the rune you have to replicate the structure. Not even the Pentagon's computer could do it.  HOUSE OF CARDS   .. . . . . .. . . . . . 7. Bhille wanted to read about his cards so he learned how to read. One day he saw a newspaper headline that said: Plan, House of Cards. Bhille could not understand the plan for it was too complex for him. He was happy that the wise leaders based their work on the cards. He was inspired to record his own thoughts in a notebook. He wrote: Diamonds represent wealth. Spades, labor. Hearts, health. Clubs, freedom of assembly and speech. Diamonds are useless without spades, worthless without hearts, vulnerable without clubs. Defend property. Spades are enslaved without clubs, idled without diamonds, enfeebled without hearts. Protect wages. Clubs are powerless without hearts, immobilized without spades, hobbled without diamonds. Hold elections. Hearts are broken without diamonds, exposed without clubs, flabby without spades. Train doctors. Respect all cards regardless of size or color. Each one can bring victory. And this, I believe, is most important. Always play with a full deck.
 

http://hometown.aol.com/codeufo/gematria.7.html (see 5 also for more tweaking of the tzolkin it's al kin, it's all tweaked, it's all, . .. .well, . . .twisted)

sipp.org/reference/moon/index.php?days=2453031another specimen to add to the never ending plaque of certifiably loose screwballs, loons and nutcases

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/timewavezero2012/message/5189 my post in response to: timewavezero2012/5151 --- From Hiroshima on Aug. 6, 1945 to "End Date" on Dec. 21, 2012 = 64 Lunar Years! etcetera blahbla ... see serendipity.li/twz/gyrus/river.htm for what they're on about - via a link there I find an article on demographics: http://norlonto.net/index.cfm/action/articles.view/itemID/104 -------- piet: you are often on about charts at this group (sorta the Dan Winter disease except that Dan got away from flatland or at least creates that illusion by doing loads of graphs close together to get that landscape look); McKenna had this weakness/fetish as well apparantly; I am glad Arguelles and crowd embellish these sorts of things usually. ------ If I was a real Arguelles head I'd say: oh, what a synchronicity, that day was an eagle day and they happen to have a lotta fives in 'm (all ((tzolkin)) 13 of 'm in fact, meaning, materialism oozing from them and since I am an eagle myself I can affirm I want nothing less than powDer of the kind that spells COUNTLESS wealth for all being above static and rigid 'life' forms ((such as solid rock)) through setting its constituents free to feed into the chain of beings; let's call it full spectrum trace mineral synchronicity this time, from which all other types follow ((and no amount or skill applied to riding any symbolcicles or numbers whatever no matter how crunchy on this 2 waystreet about it will (((follow that unact)))!!!!!!))) and so does the item number that started this thread (a lassy noted that the time I sent her an email were the numbers of her gregorian birthday; it's hypocritical enough to glorify fetish fractions and condemn the poisonously technospherical ones but even more so to stick 'm into one and the same equation / moment / fractality / synchronicity, whatever: 1260 years since Pacal Votan's death and 1320 something or others till 2013 ---- tsk tsk tsk, how very clever). I keep reading more of his work . .. . 
but that don't mean I don't want breaktime 
to break tangible bits of it into the epitome of virginally compostable powdersprinkle, I'm saying it's rockbreaktime,
to mend the microdynamics between space and time 
give the old fullness a chime,
fill it's coordinates, notes tones and what have you with vital fuel cause there's no fooling law, so make sure you run yarrrocks along timelines of this reasonablest of rhime.
Go for the living soil link here: championtrees.org/indexx.htm and try my site if you like: 

Jarle Lillemoen??
sealife.dreamofpeace.net
galactichardwarestore.com/spirogod.htm
nmsr.org/code19.htm 3rd link before last goes to a google directory page that may be fruitful to explore
cycleoftime.com/thebook.php on Yuga cicles and flavors  (via moonwise.co.uk)


 

Grant Morgan Czerepak (vadis) a wonderful person designing diagram does a life story:
- Belief - Religious/Policy   - Spiritual/WorkEthic
- Tribe  - Unrelated/Employee - Related/Coworker
- Way    - Work/Composition   - Play/Humor
- Thing  - Quantity/Email     - Quality/Tone
- Land   - Here/Office        - There/Desination
- Event  - Past/Background    - Future/Vision
I could look for another name than "event" but one doesn't come to me right now.  It seems appropriate that an event involves all six dimensions.  ---------- do you mean six stages rather?  I'm having trouble with the fourth as it is; these folks call that one time: synchronometer.com a 24 hour thingy that peaks around midday european time.  -- What I like about folks like Arguelles and Keyserling and M Schneider is that they juggle 'folds', 'mani' of 'm.  ------------ They are both stages and dimensions, piet.  Starting with Beliefs and proceeding clockwise to Times for sociological coordination, starting with times and proceeding counterclockwise to beliefs for addressing psychological coordination.  I never determined whether Times or Spaces came first. ------------ in reply to this: I'd spec and req a lot nitty grittyer than that and put my money on specks of fresh dust being concerned with smallest constituents in largest/oldest most forbearing and for evermore singlecelled basic forebears; with enough geartranslations even the heavyest bit of heaven lifts lightly. ----------------- "Indeed piet. Beautifully said. The granularity of the gods is every hair on your head or every quark in the atom. Man's dilemma is the smaller the granularity the larger the multiplication of the volume of data in the dimensions and even exponentially so in the events. One would indeed have to be God to track it all." ---------- You see, this is where I disagree with the need to take God's tasks of off and/or out of her, we are here to make sure the mechanical maintenance ends (beginnings rather) to her (relatively more lively/intricate/changeable, in short) incalculably complex but simple and neglected cornerstone derived and limned lives keep chucklechuggin'. I'm suggesting we might be here to do (here better if we did, soon as we do) the dumb but hard work, to wit, mimic (civilize, harness and callibrate) the brute forces of seasonal weathering, glacier and volcano; make 'm less wasteful, extreme, etcetera, appease them by miming their bit; lay the simple yet simply essential grind/groundwork for healthy biomass (Lost? see remineralize.org/magazine/  for details). Why wouldn't we incurably meddlesome beings echo some of all terrestrial type life's dark origins? Let's master and minister mud, prettying up such a humble place in the weave would earn us rights and benefits galore. What systemicists like Arguelles and others (latest addition to the collection is pretty outrageous too http://nogahshell.net/solution_cube/solution.html  nutter number so and so many too many, although this one is more the loner loon type it seems (been at it 22 years he says); a large collection of such oddities (including me!!!) is here: ratbags.com see * below) fail to harmonize, connect, fill and bridge is the gap between desire to exert anally precise control on the one hand and flying off the handle sort of abandon on the other; from the after word in the little semi-sf novel (about a worldwar between syndic vs synchro won by way of one meditation ritual mediated miracle after another punctuated by a bloody sacrifice)I just read by Arguelles one learns he was an alcoholic, then fell in love with someone who endorsed his fevered imagination and helped him start taking this pipe dream for purest prophecy to boot. ---------------------------------- * speak of the devil!!!! first entries now 3 days old after a yearlong sabbatical ------ "Some ratbags are gentle, deluded souls with ideas so bizarre that you would not believe it if someone told you about them. Quintessence of the Loon is dedicated to bringing you the best of this nuttiness, with new links every two weeks to places so odd that you will think we are making it up. -------- "Another example of "obsessive or discreditable" is the person who rants and rages incoherently at length. Full Canvas Jacket is a site where such people are honoured by inclusion in a collection of Noteworthy Unhinged Lunatic Rants." ------------------------------When I hear the word content I get the creeps in a way similar to the one where I think we go about the lock and key concepts wrong, exactly inside out to be exact; I wish to never see 'content' used without losing sight of the primary and most biospherically relevant meaning of it: amount and type of dust a rock packs; no matter how astounding ly much info we pack into chips their content usually remains symbolic and when not is only rarely aiming to be symbiotic (like I imagine this piece does). By the same token I look at the potency/pregnancy of rocks as singularly more real and precious than anything hidden behind locks; what's more there is no schizegorift between container and content in the case of rock, the lock dissolves itself in the act of opening and the treasure is set free instead of being some stupid tool of manipulation one conjures and then conceals again. Dust has to go the long and slow loop, no short circuits, no castles, no hoards, no mobilizations more justifiable than in service of this. -------------- That is very intersting as a concept, Piet. ------------- 346:2282) 09-FEB-2004 15:49 piet bouter (piet) Lemme see if a few more toots, bells and gracenotes hung on this life sentence won't make the whole thing come crashing down: .. .. , the (no longer) lock(ed rock can start a transformation, it) dissolves (itsy bitsy particulates of) itself in(/through/after) the act of opening and the treasure is set free (only to be caught up in a farflung flurry of networks crisscrossing substrates and various degrees of mobility away from dry and heavy) instead of (like 'common' ((not)) treasure) being some stupid tool of manipulation one conjures (chic shaken by sheik) and then conceals again." this will look better in colour at my site. ----------The content is the container. The lock is the key. There is a concept in IT called "metadata" that subscribes to such a perspective. Or McLuhan's "The medium is the message." So why does no one raise an eyebrow when we say, "The database is the data?" ---------------- 
Garsett's digital palace: ever since I came to understand (via Dan Winter and by one remove via Rodney Collin, both Gurdjeff students) that the solar system screws through space looking much like snails and seashells if you give their path a trace I have fallen out of love with flat diagrams; don't believe in exponential 'curves' anymore either. 

William Irwin Thompson thread: A Dutch daily writes of Ghaddafi's actions as if they signal submission to america's superior power/mindset/whatnot prompted by the demise of Saddam but I think they invert the truth once again G is emulating/echoing S and signaling he found ways to contest other than with weapons. ---- via this thread I find http://oceanarks.org/annals/articles/kohr/ Ivan Illich on Leopold Kohr!!!!

http://www.io.com/~jwtlai/  grim jim's place; he's a veritably omniclexic - found at his (otherwise disappointing) site: mojdesigns.com/fruitopia/ (nice colour, nice font)

future - info ecology  "The mute places of the earth are being given voice, and the voices are, of course, ours."  ----- Depends on what he means by 'ours'.  There are plenny organisms essential to ours that would loudly mourn and voice misgivings about pals and .. . eh . . .subsocial safetynets of theirs that we decided are good enough to dump on to the point of . .  etcetera, if they had one.  ----- This is where the meaning of democracy could be polished up a bit: speak up for the weak, feeble, damn near and already dead. VOTE = voice of the earth (thanks Jose, you old A-camp recoveree you). single cellers form an absolute majority and I speak for them best, that makes me a legitimate dictator as soon as most of the most powerful leaders would by miraculous means be blessed with insight concerning 'their' subjects. 


 

added to my uncollected
'idiot savant' sightings


http://nogahshell.net/solution_cube/solution.html  nutter number so and so many too many; pretty dedicated chap been at it 22 years and is not shy in claiming miracles (see earlier comment in green table)

group/ spiritualscience/messages/6199?viscount=-30 I wonder what the fun is of a 'group' when one dominates the posting to the extent this '888' here does (very good job on the colourscheme though) and Jon Chance does (? haven't been over there in quite a while); anyhoo, this place is pointed to from http://innerouterministries.tripod.com/ (the inner part, though I haven't discovered any difference between the 2 versions of sermonizing). I arrived at this site cause I searched 'hoffstein alphabet'. A certain William John Meegan is one of the so far few folks to be hosted by Reverend Omar Kayyan Yeldell (1/16 afro by the looks of him) a very eclectic and global flavor minister. Mister Meegan has his own site too and that is quite a suprise place to me since he seems to use pretty much my style of changing textcolour per alinea and background colour per file (check here: http://hometown.aol.com/genesisformulae/commedia_index.html especially); another fascinating aspect of this man that he is a welcome addition to my idiot savant collection of 'kleedjesknopers' (rugknotters), matrixmadness or, as I decided yesterday I'll call my yahoo group: mathtrixtreatease collect and cull club; I bet it's bound to ease us back into trees in no more time than it takes to build a few model 1000 year old trees while we wait for the real ones to reach that stature. Hey, we'll fake it if that's the only way to quickly make it. check the intro and the intriguing way of constructing a david star: http://innerouterministries.tripod.com/BirthofChrist/ at the bottom. http://hometown.aol.com/genesisformulae/commedia_index.html Index of Web Pages on Dante Alighieri's Mathematical System http://hometown.aol.com/genesisformulae/myhomepage/index.html EXPLAINING THE GENESIS FORMULAE by William John Meegan (4-1-3-1-2-2-][-1-3-1-4) The above number sequence is the Genesis Formulae.  ------ starts of simple enough but gets REALLY complicated involving Dante's playing with his own birth and death dates by MEAN of Fibbonaci, and loads of weird looking colourful matrixes (not to mention slowloading pics of jewish texts) and endlessly infinitesimal fractions: The Great Pyramid's Three Chambers combine measurements: 2539", which happens to be [2539 / 5050} 0.502772277% of the mathematical matrix I discovered Dante Alighieri's used in his La Divina Commedia. This is a 10 x 10 square which of course comprises 100 sections. Dante used 100 chapters (cantos) in his work. When you take the numbers 1 - 100 and total them they total to 5050. Therefore, 2539 has a 0.502772277% of 365.242199 = 183.6336521 days. This is the amount of the days between the Summer Solstice and the day before the Winter Solstice. This demonstrates that the Great Pyramid is a Solstice Marker. ----------, go see for your self. I wonder how long before the 'loony quintessence collector will get a hold of this place; should I tell him???? See if he pays me for my discoveries???? Meegan links to psyche.com/psyche/autiot/autiot2.html ------ inner.org/gematria/gematria.htm ---- a bit of biography: burlingtonnews.net/interviewsmeegan.html ----- catharton.com/authors/98a.htm very readably styled essay (date not specified) at a site where the message board has discussions on dozens of (middle of the road) authors. ------------ http://thinkers.net/creative/commedia_mathematics.html intro and links, no date ----- order his 448 page book at this 'on demand publishing' site: trafford.com/robots/03-1381.html -- that's mighty odd, he mentions hardly any numbers in the 30K description of chapters there <><> conslucsion: One sure sign of his ailment shows in his praise for the Vietnam war: http://books.dreambook.com/135em/1abd.html A great tour in VietNam Monday, April 28th 2003 - 07:39:08 PM -- Mr Meegan seems to another one of those many loners (I referred to earlier) so it's fair to say that if you don't make your discoveries a personal life on the line sorta story and don't weave yourself into the tapestry bold and brave - as Arguelles does and as Baghwan did - you will not succeed in getting attention for your brainwarp to feed on, no matter how interchangeably intricate the material. --- postscript: the only comment I could find: Perhaps the mystery of really old books (and I mean, centuries old, not last year's Booker winner) is that each embodies the mystery of the Book itself, and yet, at the same time, directs us away from it. Toward, in Mr Depp's case, occult fun and games, and, in the case of (for example) William John Meegan, to a superb obsession with the numerology contained within Dante's Commedia. Not to be missed. Even though it doesn't matter, what's the oldest edition you own? Please, tell us. Posted by Stephen Mitchelmore at November 16, 2003 inwriting.org/weblog/archives/000082.html - I recognize a lbo talker amongst the handful of commenters here; small cyberworld.


 

organicseed.com sympathetic business I once visited; has a hippy wizard as driving force/(clear channel for the few servants of god who haven't lost patience with this badly tended clod); a swiss bio-ag org (bio-suisse.ch) has a different approach, their slogan intends to convey this: 'produce with our sticker on has bio inside, count on it .. . '  . .. but the literal wording is '. . .you can take poison on that' meaning you can trust good outcome blind, it's so good it wards of poison, even if you take it deliberately' - this expression carries echos of a very knowledgeable part of old old conflated with a more evil period in younger european history I am sure -------- this site might be nicer: fibl.org (in german; another place I had the pleasure of visiting years ago to honour a special they did on rock powders) ----- biofruit,org, seedsofdeception.com and let's mention markpurdey.com again -- last but not least there is a new forum up: organicconsumers.org/ - busiest thread so far is called 'millions against monsanto' (12 messages in 2 threads) 

 

foundationforthelawoftime.org/2012/ meditations/7.21_4-Wind/page1.html the latest and watch this for the next bits: foundationforthelawoftime.org/2012/ 

authorsden.com/visit/ viewshortstory.asp?id=11420&AuthorID=10788 another colleague/rival of Jose/Pacal, this prophet/reincarnated mayan and what not goes for Nostradamus, etcetera - - uses far fewer numbers and takes comet impacts as confirmations of his being on the right track (diagnosis2012.co.uk/jjk2.htm --- "As the sun exited the Zodiac position of the galactic center (GC) in the year of my birth, the only known meteorite injury to a human in recorded history occurred to a woman in Alabama. "), even if they happen on the other side of the world. It's enough to give new 'meaning' to globalizers 

 Calleman's criticisms of Arguelles regarding the correlation of the Tzolkin, alignment2012.com/fiasco.html - 36k - theopenline.cc/celebration_of_union.htm - 26k - - the past two links remind me of the donkeys tied together with very tout but still too short string on which they're pulling to allow them access to the food piles closest to each (rather than both) of them; the squable is over a space of a week or so; and they have to go dig down 30 centuries to come up with their fractions.

Dunno if these are any good (via skywalker22): 
------- Kozyrev - time : http://arxiv.org/ftp/quant-ph/papers/0010/0010027.pdf http://www.univer.omsk.su/omsk/Sci/Kozyrev/vsp1.htm http://www.chronos.msu.ru/seminar/e91.html http://groups.yahoo.com/group/time/messages/6301?viscount=100 http://members.fortunecity.com/frolov/time.htm 
----------- Kaznacheev : techno-feng-shui.nm.ru/Knowledge/EcologyEng.htm transpersonal.de/mbischof/englisch/webbookeng.htm sciteclibrary.com/eng/catalog/pages/6422.html 
----------------- Vernadsky : melt2000.com/loudtruth/cosmosphere/articles/0003.html ----------- searched - "studies artificial timing harm biosphere" nancho.net/bigmedtours/endodis.html
trinity.edu/~mkearl/time.html http://home.iae.nl/users/lightnet/world/report.htm 

Raul Grajeda landscape architect (though he has talent for preaching also: earthrainbownetwork.com/MiscelSubjects26.htm - 38k) in Pleasant Ca yemagsta@gaiabella.com - oh dear, disgruntled disciple --  http://home.att.net/~asassycat/butterflies.htm  a small and much brighter version of Dan's twelvetrumpetthingy here

http://numerical19.tripod.com/quran_chemistry.htm
http://answering-islam.org.uk/Religions/Numerics/

wasn't I talking about fake trees some minutes ago?? Check these out (latest Jose effort): foundationforthelawoftime.org/development/rinri/rinri_4-2-02.html In one sentence? Be good enough to do your sums, wear the right (out of 4 colours) overal and fix the future (in which he expects us to have houses dedicated to one sense each (????) how stupidly specialistic can he dream) -- new edition of dreamspell (cd this time) on it's way; a note about the colour mistake on the widely distributed cardboard/paper version of the spiritual compass: " . .. The Galactic Federation wanted it this way to draw our attention to the fact that July 26, 2004, Blue Crystal Storm, is a red letter day, a red alert to planet Earth. . . ." ---- I'll leave you with a bit (from the last/fourth page of prophecy/advice/sign of the times readout that is minimally coded and even has a(n all too) rare apearance of pragmatic recommendability in it (story of my life too -- it concerns treeplanting): As the first Bolon Tiku is aroused, the awakening of the AC Manitou will be experienced as a mental quickening, a perceptible mind shift - one half of the psi bank, electrified as it were. The telepathy will increase, especially among those following the synchronic codes of time. Signals to return to the Earth will become stronger. Earth based alliances of communities, the New Time Party, will become ever more important as the manifestation of the Aboriginal Continuity. To learn more, let us let look at the UR Rune Codon sequences for the Blue Crystal Storm year and see how they complete the Aboriginal Continuity: First Quarter, Weeks 1 - 13. Way of the Tree, Stage 8. Tree Of Time Turns Heaven. Codon 8, Unity of the People. The UR Rune: The Red left handed swastika represents the turning of time into the fourth dimension or “heaven,” the counter clock wise turn symbolizing the entry into the New Time, the beginning of Heaven on Earth, the completion of the Way of the Tree. This signifies the definitive return to the ancient and timeless order of the Earth, represented by the tree. A traditional Zen teaching states, “Learn the backward step that turns the light inwards to illuminate the self.” The backward step is the stopping of outer attachment to the values and beliefs of the 12:60 world, and making the counterclockwise turn with the light of meditation and prayer inwards to illuminate the true self. Only the true self walks the road to 2012 in a genuine manner. Since this is the completion of the Way of the Tree, it is a good time to plant a tree and truly establish the aboriginal continuity. The Codon: 8, The Unity of the People shows the Heart Moon Crystal exalted in the upper telepathic position, and the Space of Earth below, supporting the Heart Moon Crystal. There are five yin lines representing a high degree of receptivity. Structurally the sole yang line holds the ruling position in the fifth place, which is highly favorable. What this indicates is a rule of the heart which is compassionate and open, exalted by the Earth itself. This is how the Unity of the People is attained - a strong and simple heart can hold all of the other lines in a unified field. This is how natural leadership works in attaining a Unity among the People. This principle is important to all 13:20 community experiments. Who would lead and be followed, can only lead with the heart. -------- piet: no illusions as dangerous and strong as the moral illusions - wisdom found at http://kenmacleod.blogspot.com/ via lbo-talk but what if heart tempers moral pretense, indignation and what have you???? ------- This is what I'd heartily agree to do: I'd love to direct a splitscreen discussion/action program with all these (re)constructors of worlds bouncing rhetoric, figures and speechIFics off of each other on one side and showing folk working with rock powders, composts and seedlings on the other. Serious sponsors may apply/appeal.

hpl.hp.co.uk/brims/art/gallery/
bleuhoney.orgpsychedelic art
found via nwbotanicals.com a very odd couple . . .. . . well go see for yourself

20six.co.uk/bustab decent looking savantry
after googling 4 pages worth of 'idiot savant' I found this also: autism.org/savant

This just in from implosion group - sbu.ac.uk/water - 0disease.com/0waterheal.html#beyond

an email to a specimen in my collection I had forgotten about for a while but was reminded of since the timewavers found a reason to take note; I go: hey Tony, saw your page on McKenna, found it a good job. Now, . . .though I hate to expose you to more idiot savantry (than that which you generate enough of all by yourself anyhow, no offense) I know folk like you have a great appetite for generating and high resistance to yet need for more of it, so I hesitate not to point you toward the work of Jose Arguelles. I really wish it could fascinate you as much as it does me (I am quite cynical, sceptical and sarcastic about it in my public comments though ((see blog)), so much so in fact, their forum moderator threw me out).
tortuga.com/science/DNA/1.htmlA place where I-Ching, dna code, Tzolkin and rune system are welded together with quran code 19 and some colour too. Look forward to reading your comment.
 hey look at this nice little animated gif: innerx.net/personal/tsmith/FMar24.gif- made by http://home.wanadoo.nl/f.marcelis/ --- -- There's work on a little thing that fascinated me a while back - nothing like a high torque squeeze to play sentient time seeding hugbug with, it's hopf something or other  .. .whoops .... spaced the url out. -------------------- 
from Tony Smith Your web site at tortuga.com/science/DNA/1.html is very interesting and the illustrations are great. The embedding of the 64 elements of I Ching into the Mesoamerican 13x20 = 260 is a fascinating idea. I will try to see how it fits with the embedding that I do of the 64 into a quarter of the 256 of VoDou. It may be related to the 16 magic square mentioned by Arguelles near the end of his book Earth Ascending, but I haven't worked it all out yet. Sorry that the moderator threw you out of the forum, because I think that cynical, skeptical and sarcastic comments can be useful in forum-type discussions. Thanks for looking at my web site. Tony 

your query at rgrace.org/100/117velikov.html you wrote: The density principle is a viable one. I need more hard data that indicates if planets remain in their orbits or do they move inward or outward from the Sun or both in two or more groups? If you have any information, send it to rgrace@rgrace.org ------- has anyone pointed you towards 'genesis continuous by NZ'er Hardy? Didn't I do so years ago? . .. . . Aaah, google doesn't seem to think so, here's the only cite: The Divine Cosmos, Chapter 7: Spherical Energy Structures in the ... ... [See the page of Robert Grace at http://hometown.aol.com/MetPhys ... 4. Hardy, Geoffrey. Genesis Continuous. URL: . ... ascension2000.com/DivineCosmos/07.htm - 95k - crash.ihug.co.nz/~hardy/gconsyn.html ---------- http://ascension2000.com/ has seen nearly half a miljon visitors -- it's an edgar cayce inspired place; no updates this year so far -

Mind over matter = top down bullshit; patriarchy in disguise leading to all sorts of make belief mischief -- the false assumption in Arguelles'flavor of mathtriccalendar profitry being that all elements (sprockets from one through one hundred) added to mechanical clocks have/cause drag whereas the mental/spiritual/synchronic equivalent delivers what drive they may from as yet hidden spring or weight derive.  . . .. . .. .. . .Or am I misreading the fact that the clock is indeed such a multi-rhythmic great big thing all parts of which cannot be serviced at the same time and drive happens in constantly morphing constellations exhausting even the wildest math and leaving us to note only the most obvious and impossible to miss oases in an otherwise mostly 'resisting', at best passive, modest and mute to the point of mordant nothingness. In that case the attempt to favor and fetishize fractions as equivalents of liferafts, well provisioned, splendid and pretty inviting is a logical and necessary trial and error adventure for those bound to turn out and/or to one religion or another. --------- 

 http://laetusinpraesens.org/musings/riders.php - 73K - The "Dark Riders" of Social Change: a challenge for any Fellowship of the Ring (73k, 81w) 2002

http://laetusinpraesens.org/docs00s/taote4.php 15th November 2003 | Draft 9-fold Higher Order Patterning of Tao Te Ching Insights Possibilities in the mathematics of magic squares, cubes and hypercubes

tortuga.com/archives/library/28meditations/28med28.pdf no graphics yet

solargeometry.com Alan Bennet is 67 also - makes elegant use of 'root2' 16 page meditation (the 28th day of the Picarquin Chile course) ----- timewavers Clyde Wary, Richard Morris and Tony Smith are all in the agegroup Alan was in (up untill last year)

hanksville.org/NAresources/indices/NAetext.html ---- altx.com/interviews/silko.html Leslie Marmon Silko interview (in germany)

wilsonsalmanac.blogspot.com(pretty and very elaborate page heavy on paganism) there and posted something to their item for the 15th (about 'panopticon' man Jeremy Bentham (1748): the greatest good for the greatest number of what though? People? Rocks? single cellers? The latter certainly present greatest number as bottom rung of the pyramidal being stepupladder. So let's focus on this foundation for a moment .. . hey, their greatest good is at the same time the best way to prevent tempers from inflaming to fullblown agression: dust served with ample precipation. Let's make it a practice that proves it's point to go high up the agenda without saying ----- free books with background: remineralize.org --- and to their valentine item: I see yall started a proboard bulletin on synchronicities. a topic I have been taking in hundreds of closely printed pages on lately, all by Jose Arguelles and various other lights, brighter as well as lesser. -- And now the Herculean task of doing an almanac; like that .. . .. oops, forgot their black background place's name completely (has docs on 'fragging' = soldiers turning on their superiors), but that's not what I wanted to remark on now anyhow. -- Interlude: great site; not the first time I am here and since I maintain, sorry strike that, add to my site with 2 1.4Mb floppies to bridge the gap between software on various yearsold machines I haven't even been able to gather up the valuable links from all my 2003 files into one and thus was wondering how soon I'd find a link back to yall. -- If the presently dominant calender is indeed as unsychronous a reckoning of time (Arguelles' reason for Quichotism) you'd be missing the wholistic fractalization he aims for (back to native cultures with a little permacrisscrossculturism thrown in for good measuring up to millenarian family trees)